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Please can anyone view this record on Fold 3. J. McCarthy age 20 Birth year
about 1902 St. johns limerick. Desertion date 22 January 1922 Bulford. Regimental number 1419186 4th P.A Bty R.G.A Publication date 6th February 1922
Thank you Pam

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Yes I know that's why I cant view it. I just hoped someone might have access Thanks Pam

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John
Last name McCarthy
Age 19
Birth year 1902
Birth place Limerick
Attestation year 1921
Service number 1419186
Former service number -
Record set Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

a labourer, a deserter
atttested at cork

Hi .Many thanks. Is there any way of knowing if this John McCarthy is the same person as James McCarthy born 21st July 1902 Askeaton Limerick . His family were told he left Ireland age about 12 and came to England and joined the Army about 1914 but he lied about his age. He was in the 72 Regiment of Foot Soldiers. His Parents were Patrick McCarthy and Mary Walsh.

Later he was in the reserves in WW2 at Ascot

I am looking for information on his WW1 Military Record
Thanks again Pam

sorrry can't see anything
are you sure of the regiment

42nd Regiment of Foot

The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot was a Scottish infantry regiment in the British Army also known as the Black Watch. Originally titled Crawford's Highlanders or the Highland Regiment and numbered 43rd in the line, in 1748, on the disbanding of Oglethorpe's Regiment of Foot, they were renumbered 42nd and in 1751 formally titled the 42nd (Highland) Regiment of Foot. The 42nd Regiment was one of the first three Highland Regiments to fight in North America.[1] [2] In 1881 the regiment was named The Royal Highland Regiment (The Black Watch), being officially redesignated The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) in 1931. In 2006 the Black Watch became part of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.

just speculation

Name: J McCarthy
Military Year: 1914
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: 1914 Star
Regiment or Corps: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Regimental Number: 1945
Sub Unit: 2nd Battalion
Other Records: Search for 'J McCarthy' in other WWI collections
War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany): Search for 'Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)' in the WWI War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany) collection
War Diaries (Gallipoli): Search for 'Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)' in the WWI War Diaries (Gallipoli) collection

reg from fold 3

The Forth Royal Garrison Artillery and its successors were Scottish part-time coast defence units of the British Army from 1908 to 1956. Although they saw no active service, they supplied trained gunners to siege batteries engaged on the Western Front during World War I.

bulford was an army camp on salisbury plain

You do need to see the other Record...(below info. about it from google).

The one on FMP is for Attestation, says he was 19 half on 29/5/21. Birthplace. St. Johns, Limerick. Trade, Labourer.

Chris :)

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Thanks. His son thought that it was 72nd regiment of foot soldiers
Pam

'19 and a half' in May 1921 would mean born no later than November 1901.

So that can't be the same person.

We know his exact date of birth is 21st July 1902 Askeaton Limerick Ireland. On his wedding certificate he calls himself James Christopher McCarthy but his birth name is just James. Thanks Pam

there is a tree on ancestry but no record for him beyond his birth and this 1911 census
Patrick Mc Carthy Head of Family Married 39 1872 Co Limerick
Mary Mc Carthy Wife Married 39 1872 Co Limerick
John Mc Carthy Son Single 18 1893 Co Limerick
Charles Mc Carthy Son Single 14 1897 Co Limerick
Mary Mc Carthy Daughter Single 12 1899 Co Limerick
Theresa Mc Carthy Daughter Single 10 1901 Co Limerick
Michael Mc Carthy Son Single 6 1905 Co Limerick
Patrick Mc Carthy Son Single 4 1907 Co Limerick
William Mc Carthy Son Single 2 1909 Co Limerick
Kathleen Mc Carthy Daughter Single 0 1911 Co Limerick
2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: William Street
District: Askeaton West
County: Limerick


but no james

As the record you are querying says the man was aged 20 in JANUARY 1922, it can't be someone born in JULY 1902

You mention his marriage - where did that take place?

Where was he living in 1911?

I was viewing the desertion record in case it was my person, as I was not finding anything. The person I want to find is James McCarthy born 21st July 1902 Askeaton. He is not with his family on the 1911 census. (the census you have included is the correct one for his family. ), but I did find a James McCarthy as a Visitor age 12 with another family John Hewson 54 Edward Hewson 53 Kate Mulvhill 38 Michael Madigan 51 Christy McCarthy age 16 and James McCarthy age 12 Address Tomdeely North, Askeaton Limerick. I am looking for the Military record for James in WW1 He lied about his age when he joined up after coming to England.Thanks Pam

Presuming below then for Parents...

Chris :)

Irish Marriages 1845-1958
First name(s) Patrick
Last name M'carthy
Registration year 1892
Registration quarter Oct - Dec 1892
Registration district Rathkeale
Volume 5
Page 257
Patrick M'carthy married one of these people
Mary Walsh, Anne Kirwan
County Limerick


1901
McCarthy Patrick 28 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Limerick Bacher Read and write - Married -
McCarthy Mary 26 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Limerick - Read and write - Married -
McCarthy John 8 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Read - - -
McCarthy Christopher 6 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Cannot read - - -
McCarthy Charles 4 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Cannot read -
McCarthy Mary 2 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Limerick - Cannot read - - -
McCarthy Teresa 1 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Limerick - Cannot read
house 5 in William Street (Askeaton West, Limerick)


1911
Mc Carthy Patrick 39 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Limerick Baker Read and write - Married
Mc Carthy Mary 39 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Limerick - Read and write - Married
Mc Carthy John 18 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick General Labourer Read and write - Single
Mc Carthy Charles 14 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Read and write - Single
Mc Carthy Mary 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Read and write - Single
Mc Carthy Theresa 10 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Read and write - Single
Mc Carthy Michael 6 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Read and write - Single
Mc Carthy Patrick 4 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Read and write Single
Mc Carthy William 2 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Limerick - Cannot read - Single-
Mc Carthy Kathleen Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Limerick - Cannot rea-
house 6 in William Street (Askeaton West, Limerick)


1911
Hewson John 54 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Limerick Farmer Read and write - Single
Hewson Edward 53 Male Brother Roman Catholic Co Limerick Farmer Read and write - Single
Mulvihill Kate 38 Female House Keeper Roman Catholic Co Limerick Housekeeper Read and write - Single
Madigan Michael 51 Male Visitor Roman Catholic Co Limerick Farm Labourer Read and write - Single
Mc Carthy Christy 16 Male Servant Roman Catholic Co Limerick Farm Labourer Read and write - Single
Mc Carthy James 12 Male Visitor Roman Catholic Co Limerick Scholar Read and write
9 in Tomdeely North (Askeaton West, Limerick)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/


Edits
(below is another John, Attestation Record on FMP, also born 1902)

Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942
First name(s) John
Last name McCarthy
Age 19
Birth year 1902
Birth place Limerick
Attestation year 1921
Service number 1047311
Former service number 325099

(states Mother, 4, Cathedral Place, Limerick. Discharge Date, 19/3/21. Served 58 Days, Driver, not likely to become an efficient soldier. Address on Discharge, same as Mothers)

72nd Regiment of Foot appears not to have been in existence by the time of WW1:

https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/72nd-regiment-foot-duke-albanys-own-highlanders

"In 1881, the regiment was amalgamated with the 78th (Highlanders) Regiment of Foot (The Ross-shire Buffs) to form The Seaforth Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs, The Duke of Albany's)."

He would have been 8 years old when the 1911 census was taken. Odd that he wasn’t with his family.

Do you actually have his birth certificate?

As previously asked - where did he marry? And when?

He married Christinj Lewry on 2nd September 1927 in Register Office in Steyning. I have found Christine on 1939 Register in Cuckfield Sussex with one of her sons Marcus McCarthy b 25/6/1927 but James is not on this one. He was called up for service from the reserves at Ascot. Thanks Pam

Looking round FMP, things Askeaton...

Chris :)

British Army Service Records
First name(s) John
Last name McCarthy Birth year 1894
Birth parish Askeaton
Birth town Askeaton
Birth county Limerick
Birth country Ireland
Service number 10038
Year 1913
Attestation date 25 Apr 1913
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months 10
Attestation service number 10038
Attestation corps Rl Mun Fusiliers

(Next of Kin, Father, Patrick McCarthy, Mother, Mary. New Line, Askeaton Co. Limerick. Brothers, Christopher, Charles, James, Michael, Patrick, William)


Edits

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

3.2 Exceptions and anomalies among armed forces personnel

Registration of members of the armed forces was dealt with by the military authorities, so the 1939 Register does not include service personnel in military, naval and air force establishments. Nor does it include members of the armed forces billeted in private homes, including their own homes. However, since conscription did not begin in earnest until January 1940, most people who subsequently served in the armed forces during the Second World War were still civilians in September 1939.

The records do include
members of the armed forces on leave
civilians on military bases

(Marriage for James McCarthy 1925)