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Another Lost Family + more info and Certs.

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Moira Report 8 Nov 2019 19:10

The family name is Swailes, Thomas a coal miner no other information on him (sorry) Just that he fathered 2 children with Mary I have birth certs.
Mother Mary Elizabeth Vickers,b. 1869 Hoyland Barnsley she married Richard William Smith in 1885 Barnsley, She had a daughter Lily. Mary left Richard and Lily and moved in with Thomas Swailes she has a son Albert Edward Swailes 1893 Wakefield, he went to live with her ex husband Richard and his step sister Lily, Mary then had a daughter Ada Jane Swailes b. 1895 Wakefield, I can find nothing of the family after Ada's birth, I have Ada's birth cert.
Sorry but this is all the info I have on the family.

I have now got the Birth Cert. for Ada Jane Swailes born 19/05/1895 at 65 St Johns Terrace Normanton Wakefield
Thomas Swailes died 13/09/1895 at 65 St Johns Terrace Normanton Wakefield aged 28 years of Typhoid Fever.
Mary Swailes was present at the death and is down as widow but they were not married.
So Elizabeth would have been left with a 4 month old baby an a son of 2 years and 3 months.
we know the son went to her ex husband so where did the baby and Elizabeth go ???

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Nov 2019 19:48

Its l difficult to follow. I,m afraid

This looks like Lillie birth Slightly different spelling

GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION Volume 09C Page 226


Moira Report 8 Nov 2019 20:00

That is Lillie, she was left by her mother at an early age, brought up by Aunt's and kept in touch with her Father, she later marries a Thomas Albert Baker, but the marriage breaks down quickly, she moves in with Charles Mapplebeck as his wife and has 14 children with him, Her father and Stepbrother Albert move in with the Mapplebeck family also, It is the Mother who on Albert's birth cert is down as Mary Swailes late Smith formerly Vickers that I can find nothing of her except that she has this other child Ada Jane born 1895 Wakefield, they seem to have vanished. sorry it is so long and drawn out

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Nov 2019 20:02

A Lodger below, Barnsley (if him)...

Any Addresses from Birth Certs.?...

Chis :)

George Cutts Head Married Male 39 1852 Coal Miner Yorkshire, England
Sarah H Cutts Wife Married Female 38 1853 - Yorkshire, England
Ruth Cutts Daughter Single Female 16 1875 - Yorkshire, England
Alberta Cutts Daughter Single Female 9 1882 Scholar Hoyland, Yorkshire, England
Fred Cutts Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Yorkshire, England
Annie M Cutts Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Yorkshire, England
Thomas Swailes Lodger Single Male 21 1870 Coal Miner Yorkshire, England
George Mamah Lodger Single Male 22 1869 Coal Miner Yorkshire, England
Milton Road, Nether Hoyland, Barnsley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),

Swailes A E — — 1914-18 National Roll Of The Great War 1914-1918 England
(Private K.O. (Y.L.I.) Joined in August 1917. Was wounded in September 1918 near Cambrai. Returned home, demobilised in 1919.
11, Tanhouse Hill, Horsforth Leeds)

(also not Naval Death, 1944 (HMS Lapwing) that was Albert Ernest Swailes, 25)

You can view Military Records on FMP free this Weekend.

Edits (no idea if above is your Albert, but below also lived in Tanhouse Hill, Horsforth. According to Newpaper article, he was found drowned in Horsforth Dam)

(No, Albert and William above, 1911 with Parents, Ned and Selina) (1899 Birth for another Albert Edward Swailes)


Rambling Report 8 Nov 2019 20:08

Just a random chance NO not this one!

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)

Hodgson Pearson Dewsbury 9b 1111
Smith Mary Elizabeth Dewsbury 9b 1111

EDIT Sorry! Just misread that and went off on a wildgoose chase!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Nov 2019 21:17

Below looks to relate here...

Chris :)

(notes on above Albert has Surname Smith 1911, with Charles Mapplebeck)


Catherine Report 8 Nov 2019 21:57

What is Ada's exact date of birth?

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 8 Nov 2019 23:40

Did Thomas die right after Ada was born?

Deaths Sep 1895 (>99%)
Swailes Thomas 28 Wakefield 9c 18


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 9 Nov 2019 07:06

Why would her ex husband take in her son ?


Moira Report 9 Nov 2019 09:33

Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has taken the time over this.
Albert was taken in by his step sister, his father was also taken in by her, as on the 1911 census Albert has called himself Albert Smith.As for why I have no idea.
The only address for the family in Normanton Wakefield is 11 Brunswick street Normanton.
It is possible that Thomas died after Ada Jane was born, I would send for the cert. to see if it is him but other than the address that I have for them on Albert's birth cert I have nothing else to go on.
This still leaves the question as to where Mary Elizabeth Vickers, Smith or Swailes is.I have looked on the 1901 census for Mary and Ada Jane bur can find nothing. By this time Ada Jane would be 6 years old so it is possible that Mary had given her to someone else to take care of, she has done it twice in the past.


ArgyllGran Report 9 Nov 2019 10:27

Another child ??

GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION Volume 09C Page 243

She seems to have disappeared too.


But see posts at 11:43 and 12:20


Moira Report 9 Nov 2019 11:13

This could well be another child, she seems to have children and dispose of them, one way or another.


Moira Report 9 Nov 2019 11:16

I have sent for the death cert. for Thomas Swailes this might be our Thomas but not sure, hope the address matches the one I have.


Maddie Report 9 Nov 2019 11:43

Emma Jane
Last name Smith
Birth year -
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 06 Oct 1886
Baptism place Hoyland
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Mary Elizabeth
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-59-2-4
Page 100

Emma Jane
Last name Smith
Age 21
Birth year 1886
Residence Hoyland
Marriage year 1907
Marriage date 11 Feb 1907
Marriage place Hoyland
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name Reed
Spouse's age 23
Spouse's residence Hoyland
Father's first name(s) Richard William
Father's last name Smith
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Reed
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England

Last name REED
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1886
Age 34
Death quarter 2
Death year 1920
District Barnsley
County Yorkshire
Volume 9C

4 Naylor Yard West St Hoyland Nether Barnsley, Hoyland Nether, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
James Reed Head Married Male 27 1884 Coal Miner Hewer Yorks Hoyland
Emma Reed Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Yorks Hoyland
Herbert Reed Brother Single Male 22 1889 Miner Trammer Belowground Yorks Hoyland
Minnie Reed Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Yorks Hoyland
Harry Reed Son - Male 2 1909 - Yorks Hoyland

GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in BARNSLEY Volume 09C Page 286


ArgyllGran Report 9 Nov 2019 12:20

Emma Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Emma Smith
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hoyland, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Piece: 4235
Folio: 62
Page Number: 23
Household schedule number: 138
Household Members:
Name Age
Booth Wilkenson 33
Florence A Wilkenson 31
Leslie B Wilkenson 4
Maggie Wilkenson 2
Emma J Lanes 25
Emma Smith 16

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Nov 2019 16:15

Can you tell us what Address you do have?, and the Birthdates of Albert and Ada...

Chris :)


ArgyllGran Report 9 Nov 2019 18:15

Moira said:

"The only address for the family in Normanton Wakefield is 11 Brunswick street Normanton.
. . . . . . . . . other than the address that I have for them on Albert's birth cert I have nothing else to go on."

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Nov 2019 19:01

Oh right, thankyou AG, not at that Address 1891 then (George and Maria Male, they are at same 1901).

So Birthdate of Ada Jane and 1895 Address for her not known then...(perhaps that Birth Cert. also needed!)

Chris :)


Moira Report 10 Nov 2019 09:22

I want to thank everyone for the help I am getting, I wish I could find the mother Mary Elizabeth Vickers, Smith. Swailes
I have sent for the Birth Cert of Ada Jane Swailes to see if we get any more light on this woman, and another address


ArgyllGran Report 10 Nov 2019 12:01

Possibly also Emma Jane Smith's birth cert 1885.
Can't find her in 1891.
Even if she was under another surname , still can't find her.