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Birth cert query

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Leslie Report 28 Nov 2019 13:45

Hi helpers.
Just a quick question before I order a b cert.
If an ancestor born 1868 but not registered until 1875 (when legally required) would it show the 1868 birth date?


Dea Report 28 Nov 2019 14:09

I am not sure that it would have been possible to register an 1868 birth in 1875 Les - are you sure you have found the correct registration for the person you seek?

If you would like to give some details we could see if anything can be found to confirm this?

I am sure though that if it 'was' possible to do this it would have to show the exact date of the birth.

Dea x


ArgyllGran Report 28 Nov 2019 14:15

If such a thing was possible, then yes, I'm sure it would show the actual DOB - unless the parents lied.

However, registration was only compulsory for children born in 1875 and later.
I don't imagine parents of children born before 1875 would bother with retrospective registration (even if the registrar allowed it) .


Leslie Report 28 Nov 2019 14:32

Thanks for replies.
I did a previous post on 20th Nov. (Beecham) and don't want take up your time.
However, I have the 1939 pre war reg for Joseph Beecham showing b 17th Mar 1868.
It has been suggested this ancestor is Joseph Charles Beauchamp b1875 Fulham.
I think it's not him but my last hope.
I have other records, military/1911 cens/marr for Joseph Beecham with various b dates.


ArgyllGran Report 28 Nov 2019 14:37

Joseph Charles in 1881, aged 6, so born 1875, not 1868:

Joseph C. Beauchamp
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Joseph C. Beauchamp
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: James Beauchamp
Gender: Male
Where born: Fulham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 8 Distillery Lane
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 68
Folio: 15
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
James Beauchamp 40
James E. Beauchamp 7
Joseph C. Beauchamp 6
Matilda Chalk 38
Thomas Chalk 14
Alice Chalk 19
George Pethe 19
George Chalk

and even younger in 1891:

Joseph Beauchamp
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Joseph Beauchamp
Gender: Male
Age: 14
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1877
Father: James Beauchamp
Mother: Mary Beauchamp
Birth Place: Fulham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Fulham
Residence Place: Fulham, London, England
Sub registration district: Fulham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 12
Piece: 47
Folio: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
James Beauchamp 50
Mary Beauchamp 30
James Beauchamp 15
Joseph Beauchamp 14


ArgyllGran Report 28 Nov 2019 14:39

The previous thread:

Your Joseph's father was Stephen, not James.


Leslie Report 28 Nov 2019 14:43

I have his 1901 m cert showing his father as Stephen Beecham.

There is a tree on Ancestry with Beauchamp 's but no sources and no reply to my message.

I have to leave puter now and any further replies will get back later. Thanks.


ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2019 15:21

GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 241

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
BEAUCHAMP James Stephen Kensington 1a 103
TIMMS Sarah Stapen Kensington 1a 103


mgnv Report 28 Nov 2019 15:56

It certainly is possible to do a late rego of a birth. I forget the time period, but if it's very late, the Directir General of the GRO has to sign the b.cert. (NB 1 year is certainly very late.)

The biggest gap between birth and rego I've seen was 62 y - this didn't happen in England, but New Brunswick in Canada (which had a similar system to England, being modelled after them). In the late 19th century, NB almost went bankrupt, so they suspended some services, including birth registration. So a cohort of NB'ers didn't have b.certs, but it wasn't a worry at the time. However, one woman decided to visit Britain in the 1950s, and the easiest way to get a passport requires the production of a b.cert. The big drawback to rego'ing 62 y later is finding a qualified informant. Here, her 71 y.o. sister was 9 y.o. at the time of the birth and present in the house, so qualified. Her sister had to go before a NS magistrate (she lived in Nova Scotia), and swear an affidavit saying that right after the birth, she went into the bedroom and her mum said "meet your sister". The census was also opened up, and the local registrar checked that the expected entry for the applicant appeared. The NB Registrar General approved the application for a b.cert.


Incidentally, pre-1875, the onus was on the registrar to rego the birth,'
The duty of the parents was to answer truthfully any questions the registrar posed.
Not a very workable system - when Scotland introduced b.rego in 1855, they placed the onus of rego'img on the parents (with fines for failure to rego).
Anyway, in 1875, England placed the onus on the parents for b.rego's (with fines for non-compliance - note there were no fines for following the pre-1875 law). This pretty much solved the non-registration problem. Interestingly, English smallpox vaccination also had fines for non-vaccination, but fines were not usually applied, and there were periodic outbreaks of smallpox epidemics.


Kay???? Report 28 Nov 2019 19:17

??a year before but given birth details are not always true for one reason or another.

Births Jun 1867 (>99%)




ErikaH Report 28 Nov 2019 20:27

MMN on that one was RAYNER

Name: Joseph Beacham
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: 1867
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Coggeshall Essex England
Civil Parish: Great Coggeshall
Town: Great Coggeshall
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Witham
Sub-registration district: Coggeshall
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 127
Piece: 1696
Folio: 35
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Beacham 30
Eliza Beacham 30
William Beacham 7
Joseph Beacham 4
Alice Beacham 1

Parents' marriage

Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
Beacham Joseph Witham 4a 549
Rayner Eliza Witham 4a 549


Leslie Report 28 Nov 2019 23:24

Many thanks to you all for your time.
Kind regards