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Martha Brabander married in Birkenhead 1880

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Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 14 Jan 2020 11:53

Hello there!

My first post for a while so please be be gentle with me.

My wife's first cousin has a Martha Brabander in her family tree and has asked me to try and find out more. With such an unusual surname I thought it would be fairly straight forward. However other than her marriage to William Robinson in 1880; I cannot find any other mention of this lady, no birth record and she doesn't seem to be on any census that I can access?

The only child I know of born to William and Martha is Thomas Robinson, born 1891 and baptised 01/01/1892 at St John's, Egremont, Wirral, Cheshire.

I'm after a couple of things. Can anyone find records of a younger Martha, birth or census info with her family, maybe a fathers and mother's name?

Secondly can anyone tell me if William and Martha had any more children other than Thomas.

Thanks

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:11

The marriage, for our reference:

Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
BRABANDER Martha Birkenhead 8a 661
Robinson William Birkenhead 8a 661

You may need to buy a copy, to find out her father's name, if known.



Also Thomas's birth for our reference:

ROBINSON, THOMAS mms BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 528

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:15

Other children:

ROBINSON, MARGARET mms BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 449

ROBINSON, MARY ELLEN mms BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 497

ROBINSON, FRANCIS mms BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 465

ROBINSON, JOHN mms BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 460

ROBINSON, WILLIAM mms BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 452

ROBINSON, CHARLES HUGH mms RABANDER
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 509

ROBINSON, MARTHA mms BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 490

ROBINSON, CATHERINE BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 499

ROBINSON, CHARLOTTE BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 520

ROBINSON, WILLIAM DAVID BRABANDER
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 459

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 14 Jan 2020 12:15

Thanks ArgyllGran!

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jan 2020 12:20

could this be martha surname mis spelt

Martha Debrabander
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008

Name:
Martha Debrabander
Event Type:
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:
Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:
1861
Registration District:
Wirral
County:
Cheshire
Event Place:
Wirral, Cheshire, England
Volume:
8A
Page:
480
Affiliate Line Number:
153

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:22

Martha Robinson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Martha Robinson
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William Robinson
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Havelock St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors:
Piece: 3582
Folio: 59
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
William Robinson 23
Martha Robinson 20
Margaret Robinson 1

malyon

malyon Report 14 Jan 2020 12:23

this could be matha notice she has father francis and sibling charles and she named her children francis and charles

Martha Brabande
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name:
Martha Brabande
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Event Place:
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England, United Kingdom
Sub-District:
Birkenhead
Enumeration District:
28
Gender:
Female
Age:
9
Marital Status:
Unknown
Occupation:
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated):
1862
Birthplace:
Birkenhead, Cheshire
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1871/3749/0037
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Francis Brabande Head Male 34 Belgium
Bridget Brabande Wife Female 32 Liverpool, Lancashire
John Brabande Son Male 19 Birkenhead, Cheshire
Martha Brabande Daughter Female 9 Birkenhead, Cheshire
Chas Brabande Son Male 1 Birkenhead, Cheshire

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 14 Jan 2020 12:23

Wow thanks that's fantastic!!

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 14 Jan 2020 12:24

Possibly Martha in 1871?

Martha Brabande

in the 1871 England Census
View 1871 England Census

Name: Martha Brabande
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: 1862
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead Cheshire England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 146
Piece: 3749
Folio: 18
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Brabande 34
Bridget Brabande 32
John Brabande 19
Martha Brabande 9

Edit: Note that son John is only 13 tears younger than Bridget.
Chas Brabande 1

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jan 2020 12:24

DEBRABANDER, MARTHA (MMN) RYAN
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 480

DEBRABANDER, JOHN RYAN
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 453

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:24

Martha Robinson
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Martha Robinson
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1862
Spouse: William Robinson
Child: Margaret Robinson
George Robinson
Mary E Robinson
John Robinson
Martha Robinson
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Residence Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub registration district: Birkenhead
ED, Institution or Vessel: 38
Neighbors:
Piece: 2886
Folio: 108
Household Members:
Name Age
William Robinson 32
Martha Robinson 29
Margaret Robinson 10
George Robinson 9
Mary E Robinson 7
John Robinson 2
Martha Robinson 1


Martha Robinson
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Martha Robinson
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Robinson
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors:
Piece: 3393
Folio: 124
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members:
Name Age
William Robinson 43
Martha Robinson 39
Margaret Robinson 20
George Robinson 18
Mary E Robinson 17
John Robinson 12
Martha Robinson 11
Charles H Robinson 6
Kate Robinson

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:25

Mrs Martha Robinson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mrs Martha Robinson
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Chedle, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Pendleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Marital status: Married
Household Members:
Name Age
William Robinson 53
Martha Robinson 50
Robert Armstrong 23

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:26

Martha Robinson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Martha Robinson
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 42
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 315

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 14 Jan 2020 12:27

Confirms that the family came from the Low Countries,

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jan 2020 12:31

1881

Name: Francis Brabinder
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Bridget Brabinder
Gender: Male
Where born: Belgium
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 23 Cumberland Pl
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Rigger (Ship)
Registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Piece: 3582
Folio: 32
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Brabinder 43
Bridget Brabinder 41
Charles Brabinder 11
Catherine Brabinder 3


Martha's mother

Name: Bridget Ryan
Age: 0
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1839
Baptism Date: 30 Dec 1839
Baptism Place: St Mary's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: John Ryan
Mother: Margaret Ryan

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:32

The family before Martha's birth. Looks like Bridget Ryan was a second wife:

John De Eabander
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John De Eabander
[John De Brabander]
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: 1859
Relation: Son
Father's name: Francis De Eabander
Mother's name: Mary De Eabander
Gender: Male
Where born: Bhead, Cheshire, England
[Birkenhead, Cheshire, England]
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 2642
Folio: 44
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis De Eabander 25 - Antwerp, Belgium
Mary De Eabander 22 - Liverpool
John De Eabander 2



Mary Ann Riner
in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Mary Ann Riner
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 17
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1840
Marriage Date: 4 Aug 1857
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Matthias, Lancashire, England
Father: John Riner
Spouse: Theodore Francois Debrabander

Theodore's father: Johannes Baptiste Debrabander

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:35

No, Mary Ann Riner must be the same person as Bridget Ryan.

Here's the son John's birth:

DEBRABANDER, JOHN mms RYAN
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 453

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 14 Jan 2020 12:45

Confirms my posting at 12:24

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 14 Jan 2020 12:45

For elimination only -

NOT Theodore Francois's parents' marriage - this is dated 1858


Joannes Baptista Franciscus De Brabander
in the Antwerp, Belgium, Civil Registration, 1796-1906
Name: Joannes Baptista Franciscus De Brabander
Gender: Male
Spouse: Jacoba Antonia Warens


EDIT:

I suppose it could be a second marriage for Theodore Fran├žois's father.

safc

safc Report 14 Jan 2020 12:45

Marriage: 4 Aug 1857 St Matthias, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Theodore Francois Debrabander - 20, Mariner, Bachelor, Birkenhead
Mary Ann Rinen - (X), 17, Spinster, Denison St Liverpool
Groom's Father: Johannes Baptiste Debrabander, Master Mariner
Bride's Father: John Rinen, Carpenter
Witness: David McCowen, (X); Ann McClaughlan, (X)
Married by Licence by: John R Pilling
Register: Marriages 1850 - 1877, Page 78, Entry 155
Source: LDS Film 1656207