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who is the wife and mother ?

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Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 10:54

I wonder if anyone could help me with this brickwall. I know I will have to send off for the certificates but just want as much info to make sure I get the right person

Ernest Jones according to the 1939 census was born 8th september 1921.
His parents were Ernest ( 1893 ) and Jane ( 1891)
He was born in Warrington Lancashire

He had 3 younger brothers and 1 sister . Cyril, Daniel, Irene, Maurice )
All with mothers maiden name of HENNESSEY and all born in Warrington

The problems i have is
I cant find a marriage between Ernest Jones and a Jane Hennessey
and I cant find a birth for Ernest born 1921 with a mothers maiden name of HENNESSEY

Jane HENNESSEY had parents Daniel Hennessey and Mary Quinn

Any help finding Ernests marriage and the birth of Ernest (1921 ) would be very much appreciated

Thank you


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 11:02

I assume you have looked for a birth for Ernest Hennessy

And a marriage for the father to anyone named Jane who could have been married before


Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 11:05

ErikaH I have looked on free bmd and and lancashire bmd


KathleenBell Report 15 Mar 2020 11:19

Since the birth of the son Ernest was between the wars it is possible that the parents never actually married as lots of marriages broke up and people just went on to live with another partner as if they were married.

If you can't find the birth of Ernest junior then you can't be sure he was born in Warrington just because he is living in Warrington in 1939.

Kath. x


Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 11:28

Kath relatives have told me he was born in warrington so only taken their word for it. I'm not sure if I could get a birth cert with just a date of birth ?


KathleenBell Report 15 Mar 2020 11:34

You would need a proper reference number and I can't find a birth for Ernest with mother's maiden name of Hennessey. The only birth I can find in 1921 is one for a Leslie Jones:-

First name(s) LESLIE
Last name JONES
Birth year 1921
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Hennessy
District West Derby
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 462
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England

Could Ernest have changed his name for some reason?

Kath. x


Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 11:39

On one of his daughters marriage certs it says fathers name Ernest Jones occupation Clerk so no name change there


KathleenBell Report 15 Mar 2020 11:45

I was meaning could his name have been changed when he was very young - for example if his parents had named him Leslie and then decided to call him Ernest after his father. I can't see any other birth for him.

Kath. x


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 11:46

His daughter would obviously have known him as Ernest, so don't rule out the possibility that he changed his name for some reason

Be open-minded..........................


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 11:49

As you don't have a marriage cert, not sure how you can say for certain who Jane's parents were

Where do you think Jane was born?


Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 11:50

ErikaH I am being open minded .
I just have nothing to make be believe his name was changed.
That's not saying it wasn't but there is no way of me finding that out.
I am open to any suggestions which is why I posted on here.


Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 11:52

He could have had a different mother from the other siblings . I was looking to see when Ernest married Jane Hennessey to see if it was after he was born but that too seems to be evading me.


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 11:52

Just for INFO

Ernest Jones 06 May 1893 Male ??? Married 371 1
Jane Jones 15 Jun 1891 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 371 2
Reellen Matthews (Smith) 20 Oct 1917 Female Machinist Sheet Works Single 371 3
Ernest Jones 08 Sep 1921 Male Clerk (Wages) Single 371 4
Cyril Jones 16 Dec 1922 Male Maintenance Boy Heavy Worker Tunning Heavy Single 371 5

Who is the SMITH person?

Is this relevant?

Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
Hennessey Jane Smith Warrington 8c 440
Smith Edward Hennessey Warrington 8c 440


malyon Report 15 Mar 2020 11:53

not finding a birth for mother jane hennessy 1891


Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 11:55

Erika Janes grandchildren have photos that say on the back who they were and they were Irish but no idea when the came over . dont know if it was before Jane was born or after . The granddaughter who knew Jane said Jane didint have an irish accent


malyon Report 15 Mar 2020 11:58

there is a birth for a jane quinn 1891 in salford


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 11:59

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
Smith Norah Hennessey Warrington 8c 380

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Smith Kathleen Hennessey Warrington 8c 298

Marriages Dec 1945 (>99%)
MATTHEWS Jack Smith Warrington 8c 320
Smith Kathleen Matthews Warrington 8c 320


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 12:00

Marriages Jun 1921 (>99%)
JONES Ernest SMITH Warrington 8c 313
Smith Jane Jones Warrington 8c 313


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 12:03

Births Dec 1921 (>99%)J
Jones Ernest Smith Warrington 8c 340


Carter Report 15 Mar 2020 12:08

Thank you erika. I can see the connection between the Jones smith marriage and ernest birth but what might the connection with the Hennessey be. Thank you