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Reeve, Could I have a 1939 look up please.

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Jun 2020 15:13

Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
Harmer Sarah Maria Erpingham 4b 191
Pygall Frederick George Erpingham 4b 191


1901
Frederick Pygall Head Married Male 24 1877 Ordinary Agricultural Laborer Hempstead, Norfolk, England
Sarah Pygall Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Barningham, Norfolk, England
Herbert Harmer Son - Male 3 1898 - Barningham, Norfolk, England

1911

Frederick Pugall Head Married Male 31 1880 Teaman On Farm Norfolk Hempstead
Sarah Pugall Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Norfolk Barningham RD
Herbert Harmer Stepson - Male 13 1898 Labourer On Farm Norfolk Barningham RD
Ethel Pugall Daughter - Female 9 1902 School Norfolk Barningham RD
May Pugall Daughter - Female 7 1904 School Norfolk Barningham RD
Frederick Pugall Son - Male 0 1911 - Norfolk Plumstead

Pygall on image - corrections submitted to FMP

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Jun 2020 10:24

Marjorie obviously took the name Laming - officially, somehow - in 1946, but without a record of a marriage, the circumstances may never be known.

A possible avenue of research would be to get a copy of the 1950 marriage cert for Marjorie's address - then check the Electoral Roll for preceding years to see if she's listed, and who she's with. At least that would give you a name

The ER is searchable only by address and will be held at the main public library for the area - or maybe at the county Records Office.

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 21 Jun 2020 09:11

Hi ErikaH - thanks for directing me to Ancestry, had a great time :-)

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 21 Jun 2020 03:35

Hi Erikha - talk about keeping it in the family - yes your right in saying Mabel married her stepfather's son. I also tried looking for Marjories 2nd marriage to Laming but do you think because we can't find the evidence that maybe he was just a partner as opposed to a legal marriage?
Thanks again

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jun 2020 14:00

Private
JENNINGS, B J (Barry John)
Service Number 473108

Died 03/12/1917

88th Field Amb.
Royal Army Medical Corps

A tree on Ancestry has all the Jennings names - incluing Kenneth Arthur

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jun 2020 12:05

Births Dec 1933 (>99%)
Reeve ***** Jennings Samford 4a 1309 (female )
Reeve Helen Jennings Samford 4a 1309

Deaths Sep 1935 (>99%)
Reeve Helen 1 Samford 4a 917

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jun 2020 11:29

Name: William Reeve
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Brittiania Road, Ipswich
Occupation: School
Registration district: Ipswich
Registration District Number: 213
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 10841
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Reeve 38***************Market Gardener (same as 1939)
Alice Reeve 15
William Reeve 11

Charles is recorded as 'married'

REEVE, ALICE ELLEN MARY PARKER
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in ISPWICH Volume 04A Page 909

So it looks as though Mabel's hubby was indeed the son of her stepfather.

First name(s) WILLIAM OSCAR
Last name REEVE
Gender Male
Birth day 25
Birth month 12
Birth year 1899
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1988
District Colchester
Register number 888
County Essex
Volume 9
Page 2041

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jun 2020 11:22

1939
The Street, Samford R.D., Suffolk, England

William O Reeve 25 Dec 1899 Male Market Gardener Married 199 1
Mabel V (Mabel) Reeve 26 Feb 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 199 2
2 closed records

REEVE, WILLIAM OSCAR PARKER
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1031

1901
Freehold Road, Ipswich St Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Charles Reeve Head Married Male 28 1873 Bricklayers Labourer Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Mary A Reeve Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Hintlesham, Suffolk, England
Nelly A Reeve Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Ipswich, Suffolk, England
William O Reeve Son - Male 1 1900 - Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Stanley E Topple Step Son - Male 13 1888 - Ipswich, Suffolk, England


Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
Reeve Charles Ipswich 4a 1349
Topple Mary Ann Ipswich 4a 1349

TOPPLE, STANLEY EDGAR PARKER
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 799

Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
PARKER Mary Ann Samford 4a 1039
Topple Edgar Samford 4a 1039

I'm wondering whether William's father Charles is the same man who married Kenneth's mother Laura. Or if it's simpy a coincidence.

Intriguing.......................

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jun 2020 11:10

A tree on Ancestry has this as Mabel's marriage


Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
Jennings Mabel V Reeve Cosford 4a 1898
Reeve William Oscar Jennings Cosford 4a 1898

This MAY be her death

Deaths Dec 1983 (>99%)
REEVE MABEL VICTORIA 26FE1900 COLCHESTER 9 2215

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jun 2020 11:02

As mentioned earlier - although I referred to Maud, which was an error. The third child was listed as Dorothy

1911

First name(s) Kenneth
Last name Jennings
Relationship Inmate
Sex Male
Age 6
Birth year 1905
Birth place Suffolk Ipswich
Occupation -
House name -
House number -
Street Freehold Road And Bloomfield Street
Address Freehold Road And Bloomfield Street Ipswich

First name(s) Dorothy
Last name Jennings
Relationship Inmate
Sex Female
Age 8
Birth year 1903
Birth place Suffolk Ipswich
Occupation -
House name -
House number -
Street Freehold Road And Bloomfield Street
Address Freehold Road And Bloomfield Street Ipswich


First name(s) DOROTHY MAUD
Last name JENNINGS
Birth year 1903
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Granger
District Ipswich
County Suffolk
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 1058

First name(s) Mabel
Last name Jennings
Relationship Inmate
Sex Female
Age 11
Birth year 1900
Birth place Suffolk Ipswich
Occupation School
House name -
House number -
Street Freehold Road And Bloomfield Street
Address Freehold Road And Bloomfield Street Ipswich

First name(s) MABEL VICTORIA
Last name JENNINGS
Birth year 1900
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Granger
District Ipswich
County Suffolk
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 984

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Jun 2020 08:52

The 1939 register was updated until around 1980 (I think-not sure of year) as it formed the basis for the issuing of NI numbers

The marriage info was added only for women.

My father married my stepmother in 1949, and the date of their marriage is on her record., along with her ‘new’ surname

The 1939 register also showed Marjorie’s second re-marriage, as you can see from the surnames given for her on the record..

Do you need any further help?

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 19 Jun 2020 06:14

Hi Erikah - well I'm gobsmacked , thank you very much for your time - You know the 1939 register you mentioned, how come they can indicate Marjorie married Laming way in the future of 1946. All the best with your own search - Lorraine :-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 17:31

Name: Benjamin Jennings
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Laura Jennings
Birth Place: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Ipswich
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 1779
Folio: 141
Page Number: 27
Household schedule number: 177
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Jennings 31
Laura Jennings 31
Maud A Jennings 15
Horace W Jennings 11****************
Charlie R Jennings 9
Barry J Jennings 4
Mabel V Jennings 1

*********Horace William Granger at birth

Kenneth, Maud & Mabel are in the Workhouse in 1911

Name: Laura Jennings................widow
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: 22 Cowper Street, Ipswich
Occupation: Needlewoman
Registration district: Ipswich
Registration District Number: 213
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 10841
Household Members:
Name Age
Laura Jennings 40
Barry John Jennings 14
Ruby C Jennings 5
Hilda M. Jennings 3

JENNINGS, BARRY JOHN (MMN) GRAINGER
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 920


Name: Benjamin Jennings
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 38
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 652

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 17:19

Is this Kenneth (Reeve)

JENNINGS, KENNETH ARTHUR (MMN) GRANGER
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1074

Yes, it is.............................

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
Granger Laura Bosmere 4a 1598
Jennings Benjamin Bosmere 4a 1598

Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
Jennings Laura Reeve Ipswich 4a 1768
Reeve Charles M Jennings Ipswich 4a 1768

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 17:07

Name: Laura Reeve
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: abt 1869
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec 1948
Registration district: Samford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 812

??

Deaths Mar 1949 (>99%)
Reeve Charles H 75 Ipswich 4b 946

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 13:19

Marriages Jun 1926 (>99%)
Boggis Marjorie V Reeve Bury St. E. 4a 2058
Reeve Kenneth A Boggis Bury St. E. 4a 2058


Name: Kenneth Arthur Reeve
Death Age: 88
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1905
Registration Date: Feb 1993
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Register Number: B9B
District and Subdistrict: 7471B
Entry Number: 129

No birth in England/Wales or Scotland to match, but this is the same man in 1939


The Bungalow The Street, Samford R.D., Suffolk, England
Charles H Reeve 28 Mar 1873 Male Market Gardener Married 198 1
Laura Reeve 24 Jan 1869 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 198 2
Kenneth Reeve 06 Jan 1905 Male Bricklayer Journey Man Married 198 3
Barry W M (William W) Walsom (Barry) 18 Jul 1925 Male At School Single 198 4

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 13:13

1939

23 Church Walks, Bury St Edmunds M.B., England
Frederick Boggis 23 May 1870 Male Ganger On Railway Married 233 1
Ellen Eliza Boggis 29 Aug 1871 Female Unpaid Dom Duties Married 233 2

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 13:10

First name(s) Marjorie
Last name Boggis
Birth year 1903
Birth date 07 Apr 1903
Event year 1906
School name St Mary's Infants School, Bury St Edmunds
Town Bury St Edmunds
County Suffolk
Country England
Parent name(s) Fredk
Book type Admissions
Archive reference ADB550/2/12


1911 Census For England & Wales
23 Churchwalks Bury St Eds, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Frederick Boggis Head Married Male 41 1870 Platelayer Acton Suffolk
Ellen Boggis Wife Married Female 39 1872 - Little Waldingfield Suffolk
Bessie Boggis Daughter Single Female 15 1896 - Bury St Eds Suffolk
Frederick Boggis Son - Male 14 1897 Newsboy Bury St Eds Suffolk
Christopher Boggis Son - Male 12 1899 School Bury St Eds Suffolk
Nellie Boggis Daughter - Female 10 1901 School Bury St Eds Suffolk
Marjorie Boggis Daughter - Female 8 1903 - Bury St Eds Suffolk
Cecil Boggis Son - Male 5 1906 - Bury St Eds Suffolk

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 12:50

The birth year is wrong, but the day & month would fit. And there isn't a birth in 1926 to tally

Deaths Mar 1974 (>99%)
Reeve Dennis 7AU1926 Chester 10a 564

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jun 2020 12:40

First name(s) FREDERICK WILLIAM
Last name PYGALL
Gender Male
Birth day 3
Birth month 2
Birth year 1911
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1989
District North Walsham
Register number 489
County Norfolk
Volume 10
Page 1475

1939
Heath Farm, Erpingham R.D., Norfolk, England
Fred (W) Pygall 03 Feb 1911 Male Horseman On Farm Single 2 1
Albert Pygall 15 Jul 1912 Male Labourer On Farm Single 2 2