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Phyllis Irene Martin born 31st Dec 1911,(according to 1939 register) although if I have the correct birth entry, 11a 405, 1st quarter, she was actually born 1910.

She was, I was told, born out of wedlock to Arthur Martin 21 Jun 1879,Henley, Lancashire, to 21 Aug 1915, Gelibolu, Turkey. and Charlotte Anne Bond 1887 Pontlottyn, Wales to 1966 Nuneaton, Warwickshire.

I have checked on Ancestry anf FMP for a baptism record, without success, would you please be able to have a quick look for me just in case I am missing something, I will probably end up having to order the birth certificate in the end.

The reason I am interested in her is that if she was a child of Arthur Martin it will lead to another branch of my family which we didnt know about.

Not sure what you're looking at, but this is the child whose birth Vol & Page no you've given

MARTIN, PHYLLIS MAUD LAMPITT
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 405

Certainly no births for Phyllis Irene anywhere near to your info

MARTIN, PHYLLIS IRENE HYDE
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in YEOVIL Volume 05C Page 625
MARTIN, PHYLLIS IRENE GROVE
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 399

BOND, PHYLLIS IRENE DELENHAM
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in THETFORD Volume 04B Page 315

It would be very helpful if you C&P'd the 1939 you refer to..................

NO birth anywhere for Charlotte Anne Bond before 1898

There is, however, this

Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
Bond Charlotte Ann Merthyr T. 11a 491

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Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
BOND Charlotte Bedwellty 11a 158
REARDON Jeremiah Bedwellty 11a 158

Name: Charlotto Reardon
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Pontlottyn, Glamorshier
Civil Parish: Gelligaer
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 2 Pontlottyn River Road
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Registration District Number: 590
Sub-registration district: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Household schedule number: 350
Piece: 32403
Household Members:
Name Age
Jerimah Reardon 22
Charlotto Reardon 22
Tomey Jones 2
Anie May Jones 4
Jacob Reardon 2/12

Thats strange!! will have another look.

Charlotte Ann Bond is the Mother.

First name(s) PHYLLIS IRENE
Last name KEMP
Gender Female
Birth day 31
Birth month 12
Birth year 1911
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1992
District Nuneaton & Bedworth
Register number 692
County Warwickshire

1939

Thomas J Kemp 23 Aug 1909 Male Colliery Hewer Married 194 1
Phyllis I Kemp 31 Dec 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 194 2
Thomas J H Kemp 27 Oct 1932 Male At School Single 194 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
Marjorie R Wyer (Kemp) 28 Sep 1937 Female Under School Age Single 194


Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Kemp Thomas J Martin Merthyr T. 11a 1370
Martin Phyllis I Kemp Merthyr T. 11a 1370

Yes, thats the 1939 register where I got her date of birth from.

Couldnt find my way back to the birth I gave you earlier.

Its like she was not registered at birth.

I was told she registered Thomas kemp.

I put her in my Ancestry tree to see what came up, mainly other peoples trees, which I wouldnt rely on too much.

REARDON, JACOB BOND
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 819
REARDON, TIMOTHY BOND
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 791

Deaths Dec 1966 (>99%)
REARDON CHARLOTTE A 80 NUNEATON 9C 896

Get a copy of the marriage cert - see if she names a father, and who the witnesses were

I've even searched under Phyllis Irene Bond for a birth, and found nothing

Good idea re marriage certificate, thank you for looking ErikaH

Birth 31/12/11 would be registered 1st qtr 1912

I've looked on freebmd using JUST 'Phyllis' I as my search tools

NO illegitimate birth - except possibly in W Ham, and Chepstow

NO Bond
NO Martin

In your experiance, is it at all possible, although illegal, that her birth was not registered.

BTW, there's no HENLEY in Lancashire.

Do you perhaps mean HINDLEY?

Also, Arthur's death would have been at Gallipoli - not as you have it

Yes, I will make those spelling corrections, thank you.

Yes, I will make those spelling corrections, thank you.

Yes, I will make those spelling corrections, thank you.

Arthur Potter Husband Married Male 29 1882 Coal Miner Hewer Porth Glamorganshire
Charity Potter Wife Married Female 28 1883 - Penybrook Glamorganshire
Gertrude May Potter Daughter Single Female 9 1902 - Pontygwaith Glamorganshire
Bessie Potter Daughter Single Female 8 1903 - Pontypridd Glamorganshire
Charity Louise Potter Daughter Single Female 4 1907 - Pontlottyn Glamorganshire
Mildred Potter Daughter Single Female 2 1909 - Pontlottyn Glamorganshire
Charlie Potter Brother Single Male 24 1887 Coal Miner Hewer Wattstown Glamorganshire
Edward Thomas Jenkins Stepbrother Single Male 21 1890 Coal Miner Hewer Ynshir Glamorganshire
Arthur Martin Brother In Law Single Male 32 1879 Coal Miner Hewer Henley Lancashire**********Image is Hinley

death confirms 1911 birth
PHYLLIS IRENE
Last name KEMP
Gender Female
Birth day 31
Birth month 12
Birth year 1911
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1992
District Nuneaton & Bedworth

Thanks Maddie, this is all really odd.