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james barber was born 1831 in manchester.He married Elizabeth Clabrough on the 29th April 1850 in Manchester
I have Elizabeth on the 1861 census with her children Agnes 1852...Emma 1853...Jane 1858 ...But No James..Elizabeth says she is a widow on following Censuses..Please could someone check for james being in Hospital or something
Many thanks

1861 for our reference:

Agnes Barber
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Agnes Barber
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: 1852
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Barber
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchestr, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 309
Piece: 2946
Folio: 150
Page Number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Clebrough 21 - head, unmarried
John Albiston 19 - boarder
Elizabeth Barber 30 - married, housekeeper
Agnes Barber 9
Emma Barber 8
Jane Barber 3

I don't see the death of any James Barber in Manchester, of an appropriate age, 1851-71.

Ive noticed a tree on Ancestry which says that he died in 1865..But i don't like to copy..

What was James' occupation from the marriage certificate, could he have been working away from home?

I have accessed this record before, so presume there is a previous thread !


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dryden Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Airey Head Married Male 47 1804 Railway Porter Westmorland, England
Sarah Airey Wife Married Female 40 1811 Railway Porter Wife Thurlstone, Yorkshire, England
Joseph Richard Airey Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
William Henry Airey Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Barber Lodger Married Male 20 1831 Mechanic Manchester, Lancashire, England
Betsy Barber Wife Married Female 20 1831 Cotton Factory Manchester, Lancashire, England

James was a mechanic at marriage.
His father was John, also a mechanic.


James Barber
in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name: James Barber
Birth Year: abt 1830
Marriage Date: 29 Apr 1850
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Barber
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Claborough
Spouse's Father's Name: Frederick Claborough
Archive Roll: 718

Cane has a number of Barber-related threads, GG.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1385345
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1385592
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1385671
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1376740
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1371416
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1370973

EDIT:
I realise they don't all relate to James in particular.

He was a mechanic

There is a lot of them Barbers...I am going off Elizabeth stateing that she was a wiidow on the earlier cenusus

You mentioned a death in 1865.

If you mean in Manchester, these are the only two, neither of which is your James:

BARBER, JAMES 0
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 221

BARBER, JAMES 47
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 214


ADDED:
the tree which mentions an 1865 death in Manchester offers four alternative deaths - clearly the tree owner was just guessing, and must have entered that before it was possible to find ages at death on the GRO website - or didn't know about it.

Yes i saw it on someone elses tree..But i just needed it confirming

Oh Blast...Thanks for checking for me Gran

You could have checked yourself on the GRO site

????

would a fitter be a mechanic


Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1871 Yorkshire, East Riding (ERY) East Sculcoates Sculcoates St Paul 4782 12 109 1 1 44 Church Street
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
PROCTOR Elizabeth Head W F 60 Beerhouse Keeper LIN Horncastle
PECK Mary Jane Servnt U F 18 Servant YKS Gilberdike
GUSKILL John Lodger U M 22 Moulder LAN Wigan
GUSKILL James Lodger U M 23 Moulder LAN Wigan
THORNTON William Lodger U M 38 Cooper YKS Driffield
EAST Joseph Lodger U M 22 Fitter LIN Lincoln
BARBER James Lodger U M 38 Fitter LAN Manchester xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
ROBINSON Samuel Lodger U M 23 Labourer YKS Hull

I will check if any of james and Elizabeths children were married..

Agnes Ann married Samuel Cooke
Emma married William Elliott
Jane married Alfred peak Welch
But haven't been able to view records to see if it mentioned James the dad
Annie born J qtr 1861 V08d P231 I haven;t seen her marriage as yet.
Annie baptised 15/16/6/1861 at Ancoats of 2,Dryden street parents James and Betsy Barber
James a mechanic

Maryb.

Annie's marriage banns - mistranscribed;

Annie Barker
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Annie Barker
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1860
Marriage Date: 12 Apr 1879
Marriage Place: Ardwick, St Thomas, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Ardwick, St Thomas
Father: James Barker, mechanic
Spouse: James Taylor

Witnesses: Agnes and Samuel Cooke.

It doesn't say James was deceased - though of course that doesn't mean he wasn't.


Ancestry doesn't have bann records for the other three marriages mentioned by Mary - just the civil registration records:

Emma in Manchester 1877
Jane in Prestwich 1876
Agnes in Manchester 1878

What a lot of expense and organisation for Elizabeth! A marriage every year for four years!

Cheers ArgyllGran

Morning ...
This has been racking my head and i was thinking that james could have followed his brothers William and Thomas in the Millitary..Could someone check for me please..I think it was Kathleen who found william in the millitary
Many thanks

For our reference - this is the thread on which Kath posted the possible army record for William. (9 Mar 2018 14:03 )

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1370973