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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Aug 2020 20:22

Not unusual for the groom's father not to be named pre statutory records in 1855. I have a couple, both in the Edinburgh area where the bride's father is named but not the groom's.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Aug 2020 14:04

Interesting.....................

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Aug 2020 13:55

There are three marriages on that image page, and none of them has parental details for the groom - only for the bride - so I don't think we can deduce anything about James's parentage from that.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Aug 2020 12:18

Image on SP says:

Edinburgh 20th November 1837
(Proclaimed 19th November 1837)
James Hunter, tailor, residing No 423 Lawnmarket, Tolbooth Parish, and Marion Stupart, residing in Advocates' Close, same parish, daughter of the late David Stupart, shoemaker, have been three times proclaimed in order to Marriage in the Tolbooth Parish Church, and no objections have been raised.
Married at Edinburgh 24th November 1837, by the Revd James Kirkwood, Minister of the Relief Church, James' Place.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Aug 2020 10:44

He may not have been baptised

Looks like he was illegitimate - no father named on marriage record

First name(s) James
Last name Hunter
Marriage year 1837
Marriage date 24 Nov 1837
Marriage place Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Marion
Spouse's last name Stupart
Place Edinburgh
County Midlothian
Country Scotland
Spouse's father's first name(s) David
Spouse's father's last name Stupart
Record set Scotland Marriages 1561-1910

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Aug 2020 09:28

It's always possible that his death has been missed from the index. I have come across this before. I have never found the death registration of my great great grandfather although I have a date for it. I found the burial place of his wife and contacted the holders of the cemetery records to find out who was buried in the same lair. Sure enough he was buried there and I got the date of burial. As the family weren't well off, I'm fairly sure he died in Glasgow but I've checked every death registered in Scotland with all variations of his name and age without success. It is disappointing as he was born in Ireland and it was my only hope of finding his mother's name.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Aug 2020 20:20

Although both those places are in Berwickshire, neither of them is particularly near Eyemouth.

Lauder is about 33 miles away, and Gordon is about 25 miles away.

I think it's more likely that there's no surviving record of his birth/baptism.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 18 Aug 2020 19:56

Name
Events
Relationships
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James Hunter
Principal
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
12 May 1817
christening:
18 May 1817
Gordon, Berwickshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
father:
William Hunter
mother:
Margaret White.



James Hunter
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
14 Dec 1817
Event Place:
Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Lauder, Berwick, Scotland
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
12 Nov 1817
Father's Name:
John Hunter
Mother's Name:
Helen Johnston

just a couple of bapt.


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Aug 2020 18:04

Ancestry's transcription of 1851 also says Haymouth, Berwick

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 18 Aug 2020 17:19

Freecen version of the 1851 gives birthplace as Berwickshire as stated in opening post.


Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name

1851 Lanarkshire (LKS) Barony Blythswood Blythswood 622 42 588 25 111 Cowcaddens Street

Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes

HUNTER James Head M M 35 Tailor BEW Haymouth
HUNTER Mirren S Wife M F 38 LKS Glasgow
HUNTER David Son U M 11 Scholar LKS Glasgow
HUNTER James Son U M 5 LKS Glasgow
HUNTER George Son U M 4 LKS Glasgow
HUNTER John Son U M 2 LKS Glasgow

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Aug 2020 17:03

1841, just for our reference:

James Hunter
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: James Hunter
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil Parish: Edinburgh, Lady Glenorchy
County: Midlothian
Address: Shakespeare Square 8
Occupation: Tailor
Parish Number: 685/1
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hunter 20
Marion Hunter 25
David Hunter 1 8 Mo [ 20 months on image ]

Kay????

Kay???? Report 18 Aug 2020 16:19


James Hunter
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
25 May 1817
Event Place:
Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
23 May 1817
Father's Name:
William Hunter
Mother's Name:
Grizzel Horn.


?

he may have been brought up in Berwickshire but not born there,?

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Aug 2020 13:35

Just posting for our info.



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

109, Cowcaddens Street, Barony, Blythswood, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hunter Head Married Male 35 1816 Tailor ??? Brecknockshire, Wales
Mirren S Hunter Wife Married Female 38 1813 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
David Hunter Son Unmarried Male 11 1840 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Hunter Son Unmarried Male 5 1846 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
George Hunter Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Hunter Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

West Port Stevenson's Close, St Cuthbert's, St Georges, Midlothian, Scotland

James Hunter Head Married Male 44 1817 Tailor Heymouth Berwickshire, Scotland
Marion Hunter Wife Married Female 53 1808 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
David Hunter Son Unmarried Male 22 1839 Lithographic Printer St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
George Hunter Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Coach Smith (Ap) Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Dalrymple Place, 4, St Cuthbert Edinburgh, Newington, Midlothian, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Hunter Head Married Male 32 1839 Lithographic Printer St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
Isabella Hunter Wife Married Female 36 1835 - St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
Agnes Hunter Daughter - Female 5 1866 - St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
Jemima Hunter Daughter - Female 3 1868 - St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
James Hunter Son - Male 1 1870 - St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
James Hunter Father Widower Male 54 1817 Porter Eyemouth, Berwickshire, Scotland
James Slatde Boarder Widower Male 60 1811 Porter England

JAT

JAT Report 17 Aug 2020 22:15

Hi malyon,
James was living with his son David in Edinburgh at the 1871 Census.
He was also younger than his wife.
Thanks for the effort.
Jim.

malyon

malyon Report 17 Aug 2020 21:44

James Hunter
England and Wales Census, 1871

Name:
James Hunter
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Event Place:
All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Newcastle On Tyne, All Saints, Northumberland, England
Sub-District:
All Saints
Enumeration District:
32
Gender:
Male
Age:
54
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Grocer
Birth Year (Estimated):
1817
Birthplace:
Scotland
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
Head
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1871/5104/0102
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Hunter Head Male 54 Scotland
Merrion Hunter Wife Female 42 Scotla

JAT

JAT Report 17 Aug 2020 21:35

Hi ArgyllGran,
I'd purchased that on some time ago too. He'd been married twice, but not to Marion.

Thank you to you all for taking the time to look into this for me.
Regards.
Jim.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Aug 2020 21:30

As far as his birth is concerned, SP (as you've no doubt discovered) shows no births of a James Hunter in Eyemouth c1817.

So far back, there often were no records, or the records haven't survived.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Aug 2020 21:23

Have you found the son David in 1881?
I can't see him or any member of his family.

If somehow they are missing from the census, perhaps James is still with them, in which case there's this possible death if they were still in Newington:

HUNTER
JAMES
72
1890
685/5 1079
Newington

Failing which, I'm afraid there's nothing else for it but to either accept it as a dead end, or else to spend credits to look at all the James Hunter deaths in Edinburgh where the deceased was born c1817.

JAT

JAT Report 17 Aug 2020 21:05

Hi Guys,
I already had purchased that record, it says he was married to a Margaret Preston.
Jim.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Aug 2020 21:00

As I said - that is the only death in Edinburgh meeting all the parameters suggested by the census records.

You can easily check by looking at the image of the original death cert on SP for a cost of £1.50 (6 credits).

Assuming the informant knew, it should mention Marion. In this case, the informant is likely to be one of his sons. His address at death and the informant's address will be given.