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Addison Mincher 1831

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Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 21:30

Addison Mincher born c1831 at Kinver Staffordshire, parents Addison Mincher and Sarah Emberry, can't find baptism. He is on the 1841 census at Harts Hill, Kingswinford with his mother and 5 siblings. No Addison snr. However Addison snr is back with the family on the 1851 census at Rookery Lane, Wolverhampton. On 7 July 1851 he marries Elizabeth Evans at St Matthews, Wolverhampton, both full age, But there is another Addison Mincher marries June quarter 1855 Wolverhampton area to either Hannah Dabbs or Elizabeth Beech. My problem is I can't find Addison on any census returns apart from the 1841 census. Can anyone find him? Thanks

malyon

malyon Report 10 Oct 2020 22:15

Name:
Miles Sherwin
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
06 Dec 1903
Event Place:
Derby, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Gender:
Male
Age:
60
Marital Status:
Widowed
Birth Year (Estimated):
1843
Father's Name:
Miles Sherwin
Spouse's Name:
Sarah Ann Lindley
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
55
Spouse's Marital Status:
Widowed
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1848
Spouse's Father's Name:
Addison Mincher xxxxx

Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 22:42

Hello Malyon, thank you. Sarah was baptised 17 March 1839 at Brierly Hill. If this is my Sarah she must have lied about her age. I have looked on freebmd for a marriage to a Lindley but can't find one.

Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 23:04

Hello, I've just had a look at the index for FMP and in 1852 and in England and Wales, Crimes Punishment and Prisons there is an Addison Mincher. Could someone with access to FMP take a look please.

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Oct 2020 23:08

The 2 census you refer to - for our info

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Harts Hill, Kingswinford, Stourbridge, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Sarah Mincher Female 40 1801 -
Eliza Mincher Female 20 1821 Staffordshire, England
Addison Mincher Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
William Mincher Male 9 1832 Staffordshire, England
Richard Mincher Male 8 1833 Staffordshire, England
George Mincher Male 7 1834 Staffordshire, England
Frederick Mincher Male 5 1836 Staffordshire, England


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Is Eliza Embery Sarah's daughter (Step daughter may well have been referred to as d-in-law) and is that her on the 1841 as Mincher

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Rookery Lane, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Addison Mincher Head Married Male 48 1803 Farm Labourer Staffordshire, England
Sarah Mincher Wife Married Female 49 1802 - Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England
William Mincher Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farm Labourer Staffordshire, England
George Mincher Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Coal Miner Staffordshire, England
Charles Mincher Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Eliza Embery Daughter-In-Law Unmarried Female 28 1823 Dress Maker Bobbington, Shropshire, England


Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 23:13

Hello Greyghost, I think Eliza is Sarah's illegitimate daughter although I can't find a baptism for her.

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Oct 2020 23:13

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935

First name(s) Addison
Last name Mincher
Year 1852
Session date 28 Jun 1852
Court Stafford
Archive
The National Archives
Source Home Office: Criminal Registers, England And Wales, 1805-1892
Series HO27
Documents Records created or inherited by the Home Office, Ministry of Home Security, and related bodies
Piece 102
Piece scope Salop. - York.
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison Registers
Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales

He was accused of Larceny, found guilty at Stafford Quarter Sessions and sentenced to 3 months in prison

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Oct 2020 23:16

Addison's wife Elizabeth ??

Elizabeth Mincher
in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Elizabeth Mincher
Date of Trial: 23 Jul 1867
Trial Year: 1867
Location of Trial: Staffordshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment (3 calendar months)
Crime: Endeavouring to conceal the birth of her child.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Oct 2020 23:25

On FS:

Eliza Embury
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Embury
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 1 Dec 1821
Event Place: Claverley, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Claverley, Shropshire, England
Gender: Female
Mother's Name: Sarah Embury

Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 23:28

Oh dear, criminals in the family. Thank you both.

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Oct 2020 23:31

Staffordshire Marriages

First name(s) Addison
Last name Mincher
Age Full
Marriage year 1851
Marriage date 07 Jul 1851
Marriage place Wolverhampton, St Matthew
Denomination Anglican
Residence Monmore Green
Father's first name(s) Addison
Father's last name Mincher
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Evans
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's residence Monmore Green
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Evans
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3349/5
Page 43
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

Image shows both of full age. Addison is a Pudler, Father Addison a Labourer

The 1855 marriage doesn't show in the Parish marriage set - you'll need to get the certificate to determine the details

Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 23:35

Hello, I got the 1855 marriage off freebmd. I wonder if he committed bigamy!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Oct 2020 23:36

Can this be Addison's first wife Sarah? Not dying until 1868 ?

MINCHER, SARAH 66
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 308

Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 23:40

Hello Argyll, Sarah above is Addison snr's wife. Addison jnr's mother. Addison snr died in 1870. Can't find either of them on the 1861 census.

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Oct 2020 23:44

Children of Addison and Elizabeth Evans? They can't all be ...........

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MINCHER, SARAH ANN EVANS
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 17 Page 426

MINCHER, JANE EVANS
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 454

MINCHER, JOHN EVANS
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 390

MINCHER, MARY EVANS
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 430

MINCHER, MARGARET ELIZABETH EVANS - NO - her Bap. on freereg, parents Harrison and Elizabeth
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 398

MINCHER, WILLIAM ADDISON EVANS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 463

MINCHER, EMILY EVANS
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 563

MINCHER, ELIZABETH EVANS
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 356

MINCHER, JOHN WILLIAM EVANS
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 578

MINCHER, ELIZABETH EVANS
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 212

_____________________________________

another Mincher/Evans marriage, again Wolverhampton RD

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Evans Jane Maria Wolverhampton 6b 785
Mincher John Wolverhampton 6b 785


Staffordshire Banns

First name(s) John
Last name Mincher
Denomination Anglican
Banns year 1865
Marriage year 1865
Marriage date 16 Oct 1865
Spouse's first name(s) Jane Maria
Spouse's last name Evans
Place Bilston, St Mary
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D6708/1/4
Register type Banns
Record set Staffordshire Banns



safc

safc Report 10 Oct 2020 23:49

Burial entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Wolverhampton
Church name (Links to more information) Merridale Cemetery
Register type (Links to more information) Transcript
Burial date 20 Nov 1864
Burial person forename William Addison
Relationship Son of
Male relative forename William Addison
Burial person surname MINCHER
Person age 2m
Burial person abode Monmore Green
Notes Parish: St. Matthew. Occupation: Puddler. Grave: 9581a. Reg. No.: G2/02617
Transcribed by Michael Clarke
File line number 1547

safc

safc Report 10 Oct 2020 23:50

Burial entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Wolverhampton
Church name (Links to more information) Merridale Cemetery
Register type (Links to more information) Transcript
Burial date 08 Dec 1870
Burial person forename Addison
Burial person surname MINCHER
Person age 70y
Burial person abode Union Workhouse
Notes Parish: St. John. Occupation: Labourer. Grave: 6257. Reg. No.: G2/10873
Transcribed by Michael Clarke
File line number 1472

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Oct 2020 23:51

The only baptism showing on FMP for Addison and an Elizabeth - no maiden name unfortunately

Derbyshire Births And Baptisms

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Mincher
Baptism year 1866
Baptism date 06 Nov 1866
Denomination Anglican
Church St Peter
Place Derby, St Peter
County Derbyshire
Father's first name(s) Addison
Father's last name Mincher
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name Mincher
Country England


Emily shows as a Staffs. baptism at Ettingshall d/o John and Jane and then Hannah 1871 d/o John and Jane MAria in Bothwell, Lanarks and Joseph s/o Jaoh and Jane Evans also Bothwell

Marian

Marian Report 10 Oct 2020 23:57

Thanks everyone for searching, much appreciated. I am going to have to return to this tomorrow as I am now heading off to bed.
Many thanks.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Oct 2020 00:22

Addison junior seems to call himself Joseph sometimes - and possibly sometimes Evans.

(Unless I'm getting confused with another family )

Presumed daughter of Addison and wife Elizabeth Evans:

MINCHER, SARAH ANN mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 17 Page 426



Sarah Ann Mincher
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Mincher
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Mincher
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mincher
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration District: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 101
Piece: 1996
Folio: 87
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Mincher 32 - Bridgnorth, Shropshire - farm labourer, carter
Elizabeth Mincher 36 - Bridgnorth
Sarah Ann Mincher 9
Jane Mincher 4
John Mincher 2
Mary Mincher 7/12

MINCHER, JANE ms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 454

INCHER, JOHN mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 390



This seems to be her in 1871 with parents and two young siblings.
They're all lodgers:

Sarah A Mincher
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah A Mincher
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton Staffordshire England
Civil Parish: St Peter
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration District: Derby
Sub-registration District: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Schedule Number: 28
Piece: 3564
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah A Mincher 20 - lodger
Joseph Mincher 49 - riddler, Wolverhampton
Betsey Mincher 48 - Wales
Mary Mincher 8 - Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Mincher 4 - Derbyshire

Address: 7 Bag Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

MINCHER, ELIZABETH mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 356

MINCHER, MARY mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 430



Sarah A. Lindley
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sarah A. Lindley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Thomas Lindley
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby St Peter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 8A St Peter St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Charwoman
Registration District: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 3396
Folio: 5
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lindley 32
Sarah A. Lindley 30


???

Sarah Ann Evans
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Sarah Ann Evans
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Birth Date: 1850
Marriage Date: 8 Aug 1871
Marriage Place: Derby, St Peter, Derbyshire, England
Father: Joseph Evans [ puddler ]
Spouse: Thomas Lindley

Sarah's address: 7 Bag Lane.
Thomas's address: 5 Bag Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<




Joseph in 1881:

Joseph Mincher
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Joseph Mincher
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Mincher
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby St Peter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Court 5 Bag Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Labr Iron Works
Registration District: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 3394
Folio: 15
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Mincher 52
Elizabeth Mincher 56 - Wales
Mary Mincher 22
Noah Holland 23 - lodger
Elizabeth Mincher 14