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Many people took in lodgers at that time so that's a possibility.

Annie

Going back to the original question it’s still not beyond the realms of possibility that the closed record is for Dorothy’s child, as he/she hasn’t been positively identified elsewhere on the register (as far as I can deduce from other posts on here)

Thanks. It all seems so iffy, so I’m going to send for that marriage certificate and see if that helps.

Apart from your George's marriage, the only other one of a George F Nicholson in Lancashire, 1930-1939 is this one:

Marriages Dec 1936 (>99%)
Harrison Maud Nicholson Liverpool N 8b 754
Nicholson George F Harrison Liverpool N. 8b 754

But that couple are with Maud's mother Catherine in 1939, and that George was born in 1911 - so George F 1917 could conceivably be yours, and one of the closed records might be Dorothy 1937 :

George F Nicholson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: George F Nicholson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 01/08/1911 (1 Aug 1911)
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 30
Residence Place: West Lancashire Lancashire England
Occupation: Laundry Sales Manager
Line Number: 39
Schedule Number: 29
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NZVL
Borough: West Lancashire
Registration district: 457/4
Inferred Spouse:
Maud Nicholson
Household Members Age
Catheine Harrison 67
George F Nicholson 28
Maud Nicholson 27

This is George Frederick 1917 in 1939 :

If the three closed records are his wife and children, than he's not your George - but we don't know who they are, so can't rule it out:

Fred G Nicholson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Fred G Nicholson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 06/02/1917 (6 Feb 1917)
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 12
Residence Place: Liverpool Lancashire England
Occupation: Working Jeweler
Line Number: 19
Schedule Number: 44
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: NISF
Borough: Liverpool
Registration district: 455/7
Household Members Age
Sarah J Nicholson 60 - widow, 16/9/1879
Eleanor M Nicholson 25 - single, 22/9/1914
Fred G Nicholson 22

[and three closed records ]


Eleanor's DOB is a year out on the Register, as is often the case:

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
NICHOLSON Eleanor M Meredith W. Derby 8b 1160


Your George's marriage cert will give his occupation , which could be helpful.

Running with that death , in the absence of any other possibility at the moment.
(You do need his marriage cert.):

???
NICHOLSON, GEORGE FREDERICK mms MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 1037

Parents' marriage ??

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
Meredith Sarah Jane W. Derby 8b 676
Nicholson John George W. Derby 8b 676

??
John Nicholson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Nicholson
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ashh, Knotty
Civil Parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Sunbeam Rd Old Swan
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Grocers Manager
Registration District: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration District: West Derby Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 22640
Household Members:
Name Age
John Nicholson 30
Sarah Nicholson 31
Lilian Nicholson 6


Married 7 years.

I don't see Lilian's birth. Maybe that's just what she was known as in the family??

??
NICHOLSON, ELIZABETH DORIS mms MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 657

I think I’d better get that marriage certificate and see what we can find about George. It might even give his age which would be a big help.

You say, "If Dorothy is with grandparents shouldn’t she show up somewhere?"

Not if her record is still closed.

We would have to know the Nicholson parents' names in order to look them up and see if there's a closed r ecord with them..
At present we can't even assume they lived in the West Derby area.

If the 1957 death is indeed Dorothy's, then possilby this could be George's. - though we don't know his age:

George F Nicholson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: George F Nicholson
Death Age: 46
Birth Date: abt 1917
Registration Date: Jul 1963
[Aug 1963]
[Sep 1963]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Liverpool South
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 479

Sorry, I don’t know anything about Nicholson, I suppose I could get their marriage certificate which would give his father’s name. If Dorothy is with grandparents shouldn’t she show up somewhere?
Erika, the Griffith girl was not the mother, she was the sister of Dorothy’s mother and took on the care of the children after their parents died.

I thought the Griffith woman was the mother of the Farrer girls - if she wasn’t there’s absolutely no reason to imagine the closed record is for a Farrer relation.

That would be the Nicholson grandparents, as Dorothy's parents had both died before 1939.

Her father John died in 1919, West Derby.
Her mother Catherine Emily died in 1924, West Derby, having remarried in 1922 to John Bray.

Yvonne, do you know George's parents' names?

As Dorothy, nee Farrer, was working as a live-in servant, surely it's entirely feasible that her child was with grandparents..................

Re George -

perhaps he was working away from home, if he wasn't in the forces.

For instance, there's this George F, married, and a closed record in the same household:

George F Nicholson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: George F Nicholson
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 05/07/1896 (5 Jul 1896)
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 3
Residence Place: Beeston and Stapleford Nottinghamshire England
Occupation: Excavator Driver Heavy Worker
Line Number: 3
Schedule Number: 232
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: RNBF
Borough: Beeston and Stapleford
Registration district: 429-3
Household Members Age
Marie W Sayer 31 - single
George F Nicholson 43 - married
[and one closed record ]


But that George is 20 years older than Dorothy - which doesn't necessarily rule him out, unless you know his YOB.

Is Dorothy 1937 still living?
Or did she die in the USA?
In either case her record in 1939 will still be closed .

She might have been evacuated in 1939, and therefore her (probably closed) entry in 1939 could be with another family..

If George was in the forces, he won't appear on the 1939 Register.

Do you know when George was born? Or what his occupation was at marriage?

Looking at Dorothy Farrer who married George F. Nicholson. They married in 1936 and had a daughter in 1937, who also had the name Dorothy.
Maddie shows Dorothy working as a servant in a house in Birkenhead in 1939 Register, so I looked for where George was with the 2 year old Dorothy but couldn't find them.
A family member remembers Dorothy being fondly remembered as Dorothy Nick but doesn't know if it was the mother or daughter but thinks possibly the daughter. Also, another family members had a letter from Dorothy from New York a number of years ago, so this was probably the daughter, if the death for Dorothy in 1974 is correct. But where were they in 1939?

Thank you all. It looks like the closed record is probably a visitor or servant. I was just concerned there might be another family member I didn't know about.

in case you don't have it

John
Last name Farrer
Age 26
Birth year 1913
Occupation Fruit Porter
Marital status Bachelor
Year 1939
Marriage year 1939
Marriage date 19 Aug 1939
Place Stoneycroft, All Saints
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 3 Upper Baker Street Boaler Street
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Farrer
Father's occupation Fruit Merchant
Spouse's first name(s) Olive
Spouse's last name Jones
Spouse's age 26
Spouse's birth year 1913
Spouse's occupation Factory Hand
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence 27 Helius Road
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Jones
Spouse's father's occupation Railway Man
Witness 1 Hugh Morris
Witness 2 Lillian Birch
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-STY-3-5

??
1939
7 Acrefield Road, Birkenhead, Birkenhead C.B., Cheshire, England

Horatio Scott 02 Feb 1867 Male Director Ltd Company Chemical Fertilizer Married 143 1
Margaret A Scott 22 Oct 1866 Female Unpaid Domestc Duties Married 143 2

Mary E Chambers 29 Sep 1887 Female Trained Sick Nurse Single 143 4
Dorothy Nicholson 23 Oct 1916 Female Domestic Servant Married 143 5

Another son

FARRER, JOSEPH SNOWDON
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 237

Maybe
Marriages Mar 1932
Farrer Joseph Graves Liverpool 8b 283
Graves Hannah Farrer Liverpool 8b 283


But !

Mulgrave Street, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

H Calvert 05 Jun 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 93 1
John G Calvert 26 Aug 1925 Male At School Single 93 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
For individual people, records remain closed for a century after their birth (the 100-year rule), unless it can be proven that they passed away before this milestone. Use the ‘Open This Record’ button if you believe that this person is now deceased
Ethel E Crawford 30 Jun 1911 Female Shop Assistant Single 93 4
William Hannay 01 Jul 1881 Male Produce Broker Single 93 5
John F L Zollner 23 Oct 1904 Male Company Director Single 93 6

Joseph Farrer 06 Jan 1911 Male Ships Steward Single 93 7. ??

27 Heliers Road, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

John E Jones 28 Mar 1873 Male Blacksmith (Retired) Widowed 30 1
Gladys Harrison (Rogers) 25 Mar 1906 Female Dressmaker Single 30 2
Olive Farrer 09 Feb 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 30 3
John Farrer 03 Jun 1913 Male Fruit Porter (Charge Hand) Married 30 4
Ref: RG101/4441A/004/7 Letter Code: NIVY
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Births Jun 1913
Farrer John Snowdon W.Derby 8b 467


Similar occ to his dad