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Wigan Lancashire Family in America

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Carter

Carter Report 20 Nov 2020 05:54

Good morning.

I wonder if anyone could help me find a family from Wigan Lancashire who at sometime went to America where 3 of their children were born. They had 6 children but the first 3 were born in America.

Parents are John and Ellen Molyneaux

The children born in America are

Elijah born c1884 • Rhode Island , New England , America
John W. born c 1886 • Rhode Island , New England , America
Rachel Anne 24 MAY 1889 • Rhode Island , New England , America

The children born in Wigan Lancashire are
George 1893
Rebecca 1895
Bertha 1903

Rachel went on to marry John Fenn in 1912 in Ince Wigan Lancashire and it is her that I am trying to find out how come she was born in America. I cant seem to find any passenger details for her parents. Would there have been an American census that I might find them on

Here is what I have

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
41, Broom Street, Ince in Makerfield, Wigan, Lancashire, England

John Molyneux Head Married Male 42 1859 Whitesmith & Coal Dealer Ince, Lancashire, England

Ellen Molyneux Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Ince, Lancashire, England

Elijah Molyneux Son Single Male 16 1885 Coal Carter United States

Rachel Molyneux Daughter - Female 10 1891 - United States

George Molyneux Son - Male 8 1893 - Wigan, Lancashire, England

Rebecca Molyneux Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Wigan, Lancashire, England



1911 Census For England & Wales
41 Bolton St Higher Ince Wigan, Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire, England

John Molyneux Head Married Male 52 1859 Tinsmith Higher Ince Lancs

Ellen Molyneux Wife Married Female 51 1860 Household Higher Ince Lancs

Elijah Molyneux Son Single Male 25 1886 Tinsmith America Phoel Island ( should say Rhode Island )

Rachel Molyneux Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Spinner America Phoel Island ( should say Rhode Island )

George Molyneux Son Single Male 18 1893 Hawker Wigan Lancs

Rebecca Molyneux Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Spinner Higher Ince Lancs

Bertha Molyneux Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Higher Ince Lancs


I can't find a marriage between John Molyneaux and his wife Ellen. She was from Ince Wigan so I presumed they married before they went to America


This is the marriage of Rachel Anne Molyneaux

Marriage
6 Apr 1912 • Christ Church Ince Wigan Lancashire
John Fenn - 19, Cotton worker, Bachelor, 37 Bird St
Rachel Molyneux - 21, Spinster, 41 Bolton St
Groom's Father: John Fann, Stripper & Grinder
Bride's Father: John Molyneux, Tinsmith
Witness: Elijah Molyneux; Elizabeth Ellen Jolley

Any help finding out about their journey why ? when ? or where to USA would be very much appreciated.

Thank you LInda

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Nov 2020 07:19

Online travel doesn’t start till 1890 which is why you may not have found any info

Does the fathers occupation give a clue

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Nov 2020 07:32

They are back in Wigan by 1891

Rachel Molyneux
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 May 1890
Baptism Date: 26 Sep 1890
Baptism Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Father: John Molyneux
Mother: Ellen Molyneux
FHL Film Number: 1885687


So they have travelled back between May and sept 1890

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Nov 2020 07:36

Badly transcribed. Will do a correction

1891 census
John Mokmenx
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1859
Spouse: Ellen Mokmenx
Child: Elizah Mokmenx
John W Mokmenx
Rachel Mokmenx
Birth Place: Ince, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Residence Place: Wigan, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Registration District: Wigan
Sub registration district: Wigan
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3049
Folio: 143
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mokmenx 32 occ tinplate worker
Ellen Mokmenx 32
Elizah Mokmenx 6. Born America
John W Mokmenx 5. “
Rachel Mokmenx 10/12. “

Address 6 coopers yard

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Nov 2020 07:59

According to the 1911 census they had been married 31 years and had 11 children with 6 still living

Carter

Carter Report 20 Nov 2020 12:31

Thank you so much for your replies. I'm in work at the moment so will look at your replies.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Nov 2020 16:56

There are no birth records on freebmd for Rebecca, George or Bertha with surname Molyneux or variants

Rebecca was baptised

Name: Rebekah Molyneux
Birth Date: 1 Mar 1895
Baptism Date: 22 Mar 1895
Baptism Place: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan
Father: John Molyneux
Mother: Ellen Molyneux

as was George

Name: George Molyneux
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1892
Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1892
Baptism Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Father: John Molyneux
Mother: Ellen Molyneux

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Nov 2020 17:16

Just trying to get a 'handle' on the father

1871

Name: John Molyneux
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: 1859
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Ince Lancashire England
Civil Parish: Ince in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Ince in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Wigan
Sub-registration District: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household Schedule Number: 34
Piece: 3893
Folio: 94
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Elijah Molyneux 32
Rachel Molyneux 30
John Molyneux 12
Jane Molyneux 9
David Molyneux 4
Samuel Molyneux 6
Rachel Molyneux 8/12

Not with parents and siblings in 1881...............of course, if the 1911 info was truthful, he'd already be married by then

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Nov 2020 17:24

Name:
Elijah Molyneux
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
29 Jan 1881
Event Place:
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island
Gender:
Male
Father's Name:
John Molyneux
Mother's Name:
Ellen Molyneux

Name:
Elijah Molyneux
Event Type:
Death
Event Date:
5 Feb 1881
Event Place:
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island
Gender:
Male
Age:
0
Birth Year (Estimated):
1881
Father's Name:
John Molyneux
Mother's Name:
Ellen


Name:
Elijah Molyneux
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
10 May 1884
Event Place:
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island
Gender:
Male
Father's Name:
John Molyneux
Mother's Name:
Ellen

So John and Ellen were in the US at least as early as Jan 1881

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 20 Nov 2020 17:38

Another child who died

Name:
Bertha Molyneux
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
17 Aug 1882
Event Place:
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Gender:
Female
Father's Name:
John
Mother's Name:
Ellen Molyneux

Name:
Bertha Molyneux
Event Type:
Death
Event Date:
5 Sep 1883
Event Place:
Central Falls, Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Central Falls , Providence , Rhode Island
Gender:
Female
Age:
1
Birth Year (Estimated):
1882
Father's Name:
John Molyneux
Mother's Name:
Ellen

A further birth

Name:
Molyneux
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
15 Dec 1887
Event Place:
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Lincoln, Rhode Island, United States
Gender:
Male
Father's Name:
John Molyneux
Mother's Name:
Helen

and death

Name:
Mabel Molyneux
Event Type:
Death
Event Date:
24 Aug 1888
Event Place:
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Lincoln, Rhode Island, United States
Gender:
Female
Age:
0
Birth Year (Estimated):
1888
Father's Name:
John Molyneux
Mother's Name:
Ellen

AND John W

Name:
John W. Molynex
Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
22 Feb 1886
Event Place:
Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Event Place (Original):
Lincoln, Rhode Island
Gender:
Male
Father's Name:
John Molynex
Mother's Name:
Helen Molynex

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Nov 2020 21:49

Even if John and Ellen weren't married, I can't see illegitimate births of the Wigan children, all with the same surname.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Nov 2020 09:27

Nor can I

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Nov 2020 12:10

Purely for DoB info

Name: Bertha Chamberlain
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: 9 Oct 1902
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec 1969
Registration District: Ince
Inferred County: Lancashire

Name: Rebecca Molyneux
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: 1 Mar 1895 (as per baptism posted above)
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1974
Registration District: Goole

Carter

Carter Report 21 Nov 2020 14:47

Thank you everyone.
ErikaH you are a star
Are these records on ancestry and do you have to have a special subscription to access them

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Nov 2020 14:58

Actually they are from familysearch which is FREE to all

Carter

Carter Report 22 Nov 2020 08:30

ErikaH thank you so much

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Nov 2020 15:33


1861 Census
Piece: RG9/2781 Place: Pemberton -Lancashire Enumeration District: 18
Civil Parish: Ince Ecclesiastical Parish: Ince
Folio: 100 Page: 2 Schedule: 7
Address: Burgess Row Bell Green Lane
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MOLYNEUX Elijah Head M M 21 Coal Miner Lancashire - Hindley
MOLYNEUX Rachael Wife M F 21 Cotton Mill Throstler Lancashire - Ince
MOLYNEUX John Son - M 2 Lancashire - Ince

1861 Census
Piece: RG9/2781 Place: Pemberton -Lancashire Enumeration District: 15
Civil Parish: Ince In Makerfield Ecclesiastical Parish: Ince In Makerfield
Folio: 27 Page: 48 Schedule: 223
Address: Broom St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HIGHTON Wm Head M M 24 Coal Miner Lancashire - Wigan
HIGHTON Ann Wife M F 22 Staffordshire - -
HIGHTON Ellen Dau - F 2 Lancashire - Wigan
HIGHTON Mary Dau - F 5m Lancashire - Wigan
HIGHTON Joseph Brothr - M 13 Coal Pit Lab Lancashire - Abram






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_United_States_Census
Most of the 1890 census materials were destroyed in a 1921 fire and fragments of the US census population schedule exist only for the states of Alabama, Georgia, Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Dakota, and Texas, and the District of Columbia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1880_United_States_Census
United States Census of 1880 conducted by the Census Bureau during June 1880


https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?fcs=placeId%3A24&ec=region%3AUNITED_STATES%2CplaceId%3A24

Rhode Island State Census, 1885
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1794115



All I could find in RI was:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998W-1RFQ?cc=2146229
Event Type Event Date Event Place Name Gender Age Birth Year (Estimated) Father's Name Mother's Name
Spouse's Name Spouse's Gender Spouse's Age Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) Spouse's Father's Name Spouse's Mother's
Marriage 27 Sep 1880 Pawtucket, Providence, Rhode Island, United States John Molyneux Male 23 1857 Elijah Molyneaux Rachel Molyneaux
Ellen Highton Female 22 1858 William Highton Ann Highton
[From image - Resid(both) = Central Falls, John is Tinsmith, pob(both) = England, 1st marr for each, officiant = Benj Eastwood, rector, Church of the Good Shepherd]


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZYJ-TX7
Rhode Island, State Births Index, 1819, 1852-1900
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 29 Jan 1881
Event Place: Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Name: Elijah Molyneux
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John Molyneux
Mother's Name: Ellen Molyneux


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZY5-S6P
Rhode Island, State Births Index, 1819, 1852-1900
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 10 May 1884
Event Place: Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Name: Elijah Molyneux
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John Molyneux
Mother's Name: Ellen Molyneux


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZY1-8Q2
Rhode Island, State Births Index, 1819, 1852-1900
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 15 Dec 1887
Event Place: Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Name: Molyneux
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John Molyneux
Mother's Name: Helen
[Lincoln is now a rural area in NE Providence Co, and thus in NE RI]




https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F89V-T68
Rhode Island Town Births Index, 1639-1932
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: 22 Feb 1886
Event Place: Lincoln, Providence, Rhode Island, United States
Name: John W. Molynex
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Helen Molyneux

[NB I didn't check passenger/travel records]

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Nov 2020 16:14

Those are some of the baptisms posted above