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Rupert Charles Walker b. 1865

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David_Carter

David_Carter Report 11 Jan 2021 03:28

I am trying to find more information on my Wife's Great Grandfather, Rupert Charles Walker b.1865 ??? d. 1934 Scotland .

I believe Rupert was sent to India for the British Post and Telegraph where he married the daughter of a German/Indian couple.

I don't know his wife's name and I cannot find anything on their marriage.

Rupert and his wife had 7 children, all born in India.
Irene Muriel b.1890
Oswald b.1891
Percival b.1892
Cyril Frederick b.1893
Leslie Henry Frederick b. 5 March 1896 d. 1953 Bath, Somerset, England
Mavis b. 1897
Trevor b. 1898

Leslie Henry was my wife's grandfather, his son Glen Oswald Percival Walker was born in Madras India 8 OCT 1929

Rupert Charles reference 1935 201/CL 57 Consular Returns
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
I have been unable to go earlier than Rupert.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
David Carter

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 11 Jan 2021 08:29

The consular returns are for Rupert James not Rupert Charles


WALKER
RUPERT JAMES
M
1935
201/CL 57
Consular Returns
Certificathe


And that’s a birth not a death

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 10:07

There is NO death registered in Scotland for the name Rupert Charles Walker

There is NO census info in the UK for Rupert Walker born c1863 othern than 1891 for a Grocery Assistant, born Staffordshire

Do you have any proof of the name? One assumes you don't have any birth certs, as you say you don't know the wife's name

greyghost

greyghost Report 11 Jan 2021 11:14

The only birth record on FMP is the 1929 birth - a transcript only, giving no further info than shown

British India Office Births & Baptisms

First name(s) Glen Oswald Percival
Last name Walker
Birth year 1929
Birth date 1929
Baptism year 1929
Baptism date 1929
Place Bangalore,All Saints
Presidency Madras
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Walker
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-2-146
Folio 27
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jan 2021 11:33

No record of Rupert or any of his children on Ancestry either (apart from Leslie's death).

You haven't shown any sources or proof of anything on your Ancestry tree, David.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 11:39

Deaths Sep 1953 (>99%)
WALKER Leslie H F 57 Bath 7c 19

First name(s) Leslie Henry Frederick
Last name Walker
Birth year 1901
Age 56
Death year 1957
Death day 30
Death month Jul
Place Corsham, Cemetery
County Wiltshire
Country England

NO death on freebmd in 1957

David_Carter

David_Carter Report 11 Jan 2021 11:41

Thank you Shirley for clarifying that.
Thank you Greyghost., Glen is my wife's father and we have his mother's name Eileen Margaret Adelaide Moss-Hayes b. 23/11/1904 Calcutta India. We also have no information on her side of the tree.

Thank you Erika,
The information I have comes from my wife's father Glen Oswald Percival Walker (verbally). He is still alive and aged 91 years.

He believes with Rupert Charles, there may be some connection with Postal and Telegraph. Unsure whether that is England or India.

He thinks his Grandmother separated from Rupert and lived in Ireland.
He tells us his family history was never mentioned and he spent his youth in an Indian boarding school, so had little contact with his grandparents.

Glen's brother Wilfred Frank Walker b. 17/05/1938, St Mathias, Madras, India, died in Scotland, we believe in 2011.

Perhaps Rupert was born and died in India.
Again thank you all for your assistance.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 11:45

Unfortunately, verbal info is often inaccurate - especially when the person delivering it has had no actual contact with relatives

I found this earlier, but discounted it.

Posting for info

First name(s) Irene Muriel
Last name Walker
Marriage year 1914
Marriage date 14 Apr 1914
Spouse's first name Harold Stephen
Spouse's last name Collett
Place Central Provinces
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 23
Bride's age 22
Groom's father's first name Henry Stephen
Groom's father's last name Collett
Bride's father's first name Reuben George
Bride's father's last name Walker
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948


First name(s) Reuben George
Last name Walker
Birth year 1866
Death date 21 Apr 1935
Death year 1935
Age 69
Burial date 22 Apr 1935
Place Pallavaram
Presidency Madras
Archive
The British Library
Archive Reference N-2-157
Folio -
Page 205
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948


First name(s) Reuben George
Last name Walker
Birth year 1866
Birth date 27 Feb 1866
Baptism year 1866
Baptism date 5 Nov 1866
Place Trivandrum
Presidency Madras
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's last name Walker
Mother's first name(s) Louisa
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-2-47
Folio 261
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 11:47


Not very informative...............

First name(s) Eileen Margaret Adelaide
Last name Moss Hayes
Birth year 1904
Birth date 23 Nov 1904
Baptism year 1904
Baptism date 1927
Place Bangalore,All Saints
Presidency Madras
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Moss Hayes
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-2-142
Folio 2
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras

David_Carter

David_Carter Report 11 Jan 2021 11:49

Erika,
For Leslie Henry I have b. 05/03/1896 Bhopal, India d. 1953 Bath, Somerset, England.
Commissioned Officer with British Army.
The Military Cross (M.C.) is awarded for gallantry during active operations against the enemy.
This decoration was awarded to Leslie Frederick Walker for an act or acts of exemplary gallantry during active operations against the enemy.
Leslie Frederick Walker,as an owner of the Military Cross, is entitled to use the letters M.C. after his name.
Death Record Vol 7 Page 19 Bath.

David_Carter

David_Carter Report 11 Jan 2021 11:56

Erika,
Irene Muriel information is correct.
I have her married to Harold Collett in 1914.
Fascinating that her father is noted as Reuben George. -That opens another pathway to search.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 11:59

Aged 22 in 1914, so, unless she fibbed, she wasn't born as early as 1890.

Have you any certificates for any of your wife's antecedents

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 12:03

These come up on familysearch and rather than helping , they do the opposite

Name:
Cyril George Curties Walker
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
12 May 1894
Event Place:
Bengal, India
Event Place (Original):
Calcutta, Bengal, India
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
11 Apr 1894
Father's Name:
Reuben George Walker
Mother's Name:
Annie Hilda



Name:
Mervyn Vivian Walker
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
30 Jan 1924
Event Place:
Bengal, India
Event Place (Original):
Nagpur, Bengal, India
Gender:
Male
Age:
26
Birth Year (Estimated):
1898
Father's Name:
Reuben George Walker
Spouse's Name:
Nesta Merlyn Price
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
26
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1898
Spouse's Father's Name:
Benjamin Price

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 12:07

First name(s) Irene Muriel
Last name Collett
Gender Female
Age 41
Birth year 1893
Occupation None
Departure year 1934
Departure day 9
Departure month 1
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Bombay
Destination Bombay
Country India
Destination country India


First name(s) Ian Michael
Last name Collett
Gender Male
Age 9
Birth year 1925
Occupation None
Departure year 1934
Departure day 9
Departure month 1
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Bombay
Destination Bombay
Country India

Collett
Ian Michael
born 1925

died 1974
Western Australia Death Index
Australasia

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 12:11

First name(s) Ian
Last name Collett
Gender Male
Age 1
Birth year 1925
Departure year 1926
Departure day 8
Departure month 10
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay
Destination Bombay
Country India

First name(s) Irene
Last name Collett
Title MRS
Gender Female
Age 33
Birth year 1893
Departure year 1926
Departure day 8
Departure month 10
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay
Destination Bombay
Country India

First name(s) Diana
Last name Collett
Gender Female
Age 6
Birth year 1920
Departure year 1926
Departure day 8
Departure month 10
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay
Destination Bombay
Country India

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 12:12

First name(s) Diana
Last name Collett
Gender Female
Age 2
Birth year 1920
Departure year 1922
Departure day 8
Departure month 9
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay
Destination Bombay
Country India
Destination country India
Ship name Margha

First name(s) Harold Stephen
Last name Collett
Gender Male
Age 30
Birth year 1892
Marital status M
Occupation I A
Departure year 1922
Departure day 8
Departure month 9
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay

First name(s) Irene
Last name Collett
Title MRS
Gender Female
Age 29
Birth year 1893
Marital status M
Occupation Wife
Departure year 1922
Departure day 8
Departure month 9
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay

First name(s) Harold
Last name Collett
Gender Male
Age 6
Birth year 1916
Departure year 1922
Departure day 8
Departure month 9
Departure port London
Destination port Bombay
Destination Bombay
Country India

Last UK address 11, Windsor Road, Church End, Finchley

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 12:16

First name(s) Harold Ernest George Henry
Last name Collett
Birth year 1916
Age 25
Death year 1941
Death date 26 Nov 1941
Number 194589
Rank Second Lieutenant
Unit 2nd Bn.
Regiment Leicestershire Regiment
Grave reference 3. L. 6.
Cemetery or Memorial Tobruk War Cemetery
Burial country Libya
Additional information Son of Maj. Harold Stephen Collett, R.I.A.S.C., and Irene Muriel Collett, of Madras, India.
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
War Second World War, 1939-1945

David_Carter

David_Carter Report 11 Jan 2021 12:39

Have no information on:
Cyril George Curties Walker or Mervyn Vivian Walker.
Which throws Reuben George Walker into doubt.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 12:50

Precisely...........

BUT........in that case, the marriage of Walker/Collett may NOT be in any way relevant to your wife's family

As I asked previously, do you have any certs which prove/verify any of the info you have been given verbally?

There is no record online anywhere in the world of a Rupert Charles Walker born in the year you suggest

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 11 Jan 2021 13:00

the image of the 1914 marriage is on FMP, and one of the witnesses was R G Walker............................bride's father????