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The death of Herbert's ex-wife

Deaths Jun 1980 (>99%)
LAMBOURNE MARJORIE MAY 22JY1901 NORWICH OUT 10 1956

and of her second husband

Deaths Jun 1982 (>99%)
LAMBOURNE GEORGE ROBERT 23MR1914 NORWICH 10 1583

Already posted ;-) ;-) ;-)

probate to margaret mcardell spinster -----

Herbert Walter
Last name McArdell
Death year 1965
Death date 04 Jun 1965
Probate year 1965
Probate date 13 Aug 1965
Residence town -
Registry London
County Surrey
Linked persons Margaret Mcardell
Country England
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019

ArgyllGran thank you that makes sense finale solved the aunt Peggy mystery

thank you all for your help .

stay safe x <3

With Cathrina, at 42 Dyne Road :

Margaret R Kornitschky
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Margaret R Kornitschky
Electoral Date: 1947
Street Address: 42 Bxfz [ Dyne Road on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency: Mapesbury
County or Borough: Willesden, England
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0747


1946 - both of them at same address.

1936 - Margaret's at 273 Kilburn High Road, with Annie Roberta and Henry Percy Kornitsky.
1937, 1938 & 1939 - same address, with parents, and Catharina and Robert.

In 1950 (and also 1952) , when Herbert is listed with Margaret, Cathrina Kornitschky is at the same address - 42 Dyne Road, Willesden.

Not necessarily actually living with them - could be a different flat.

By 1953, Cathrina is surnamed Chambers, and is with Kenneth W Chambers, still at 42 Dyne road with Herbert and Margaret.

Marriages Sep 1953 (>99%)
CHAMBERS Kenneth W KERNITSCHKY Hampstead 5c 2006
KERNITSCHKY Cathrina CHAMBERS Hampstead 5c 2006


Catherine Kornitschky
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: Catherine Kornitschky
Registration Date: Jan 1916
[Feb 1916]
[Mar 1916]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Lexden
Inferred County: Essex
Mother's Maiden Name: Martin <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1502


Ancestry's transcription of 1939 - ErikaH previously posted FMP version:

Catharina Koristsakky
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Catharina Koristsakky [Cathrina Mary Chambers]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 273
Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Managerness Of Laundry Receiving Off
Line Number: 26
Schedule Number: 215
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: BXFV
Borough: Willesden
Registration district: 129-2
Inferred Father:
Harry P R Koristsakky
Inferred Mother:
Annie Koristsakky
Household Members Age
Harry P R Koristsakky 63
Annie Koristsakky 49
Berynert R Koristsakky 25 [ Margaret R on image, bur R is scored out ]
Catharina Koristsakky 24
[ 4 closed records ]
Theresa Korneteskky 12



Mr Cathrina Chambers
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019
Name: Mr Cathrina Chambers
Gender: Male
Age: 92
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1915
Last Residence: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
Postal Code District: PE11
Death Date: 1 Nov 2007


Female death on GRO:

CHAMBERS, CATHERINE 1915
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2007 in LINCOLNSHIRE (6091U) Reg 1U001 Entry Number 500524892

Marjorie WAS NOT Margaret. Look at all the info about her

Dawn

look at 1939 on PAGE ONE. And read what I said about the death informant, it’s for your benefit

Marjorie and Herbert were together at least as far back as 1931:

Marjorie May McArdcll
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Marjorie May McArdcll
Electoral Date: 1931
Street Address: Manor Parade [ 2 Manor Parade, Regents Park Road ]
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hendon
County or Borough: Barnet, England

With Herbert Walter


ADDED:

Actually, they're there in 1930 too.

Herbert W McArdell 19 Jul 1902 Male Butcher Shop Foreman Married 77 1
Marjorie M Lambourne (Mcardell) 24 Jul 1901 Female Engineering Machine Person Facing H? Married 77 2

Marjorie was with him on the ER for 1946

By 1948 he was sharing with Edward J W Mcardell and Nora Mcardell, plus George Lambourne and Marjorie. Complicated!!!!!!!

By 1950 Margaret had moved in ...........

Please read everything I wrote.

I spent a lot of time and effort on this!!!!

I can see that , but i still cant find a birth record for her ,
and she never married from her own lips

Dawn

Look back at the 1939 I posted............see the female Butcher's Assistant, Dob 12 Aug 1914

THAT'S your girl!!!!!!!!!!!! Her change of name is even on the record - surprised you didn't see it

Her DoB was wrong on her death cert

Her name isn't properly transcribed by FMP - sheer laziness. She is Margaret I've submitted a correction

Marjorie was with him on the ER for 1946

By 1948 he was sharing with Edward J W Mcardell and Nora Mcardell, plus George Lambourne and Marjorie. Complicated!!!!!!!

By 1950 Margaret had moved in ...........

Edward

Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
McArdell Edward J W Horner Barnet 3a 662

Marriages Sep 1947 (>99%)
McArdell Edward J W Simmons Hendon 5f 905
Simmons Nora McArdell Hendon 5f 905


Marriages 1984 (>99%)
MCARDELL EDWARD J W MAIR BRAINTREE 9 1180
MAIR MILDRED F MCARDELL BRAINTREE 9 1180

1939

73 Lichfield Grove, Finchley, Finchley M.B., Middlesex, England

Herbert W McArdell 19 Jul 1902 Male Butcher Shop Foreman Married 77 1
Marjorie M Lambourne (Mcardell) 24 Jul 1901 Female Engineering Machine Person Facing H? Married 77 2


Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)

McArdell Herbert W Thouloss Westminster 1a 981
Thouless Marjorie M McArdell Westminster 1a 981


Marriages Sep 1946 (>99%)6
Lambourne George R Thouless Hendon 5f 596
Thouless Marjorie Lambourne Hendon 5f 596

First name(s) Herbert Walter
Last name McArdell
Death year 1965
Death date 04 Jun 1965
Probate year 1965
Probate date 13 Aug 1965
Residence town -
Registry London
County Surrey
Linked persons Margaret Mcardell*************Spinster
Country England

First name(s) Margaret
Last name McArdell
Gender Female
Birth day 13
Birth month 8
Birth year 1913
Death quarter 2
Death year 1997
District Southend on Sea
District number 4751B
Register number B69B
Entry number 009
Date of registration mm/yy 0697

The DoB is only 'as known' by the informant -- who was that?

He or she may not have known she hadn't been married, or where she was born

They were together in 1965


Name: Margaret McArdell- and Herbert W
Electoral Date: 1965
Street Address: 107 North Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Richmond Upon Thames
County or Borough: Richmond, England

could i as another fav, bit confused

R McArdell (Kornitchky) 12 Aug 1914 Female Butchers Assistant Single 215 3

this person was the eldest aunt of my husband we knew her as Peggy , she told me she never married mr McArdell ,, i have a death cert, says
Margaret McArdell born Kornitschky 13 august 1913 London.
widow of Herbert Walter McArdell butchers shop manager
died 20 Feb. 1997,,,,,,,,,,,,,
i can not find a birth for her or a marriage
there is absolutly no one from his side of the family that will talk to me

Thank you will go look now,
:-) thank you so much ,wow

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yes please for the intrnee record,,,,,i didnt know about them, i knew he reported to the copshop weekly as he was a hairdresser and cut most of the coppers hair so he was a lucky one .