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I am trying to trace my grandfather's birth. His name was either Frederick John Mckay or John Mckay. He was married in Portsmouth in 1908. His address is listed as HMS Formidable. His occupation was Stoker. Naval records have no records of a Frederick John Mckay. Only a John Mckay. His age on the marriage certificate is 27. His father is listed as a licensed victualler. I cannot locate a birth in the Gro in Edinburgh. Or records in Dundee. He served in the Army as well as the Navy but he wasn't fit enough to stay in. I cannot locate a birth for him in the British Isles. I cannot locate a licensed victualler who might have been his father. He is on the 1911 census. He died in 1926
at the age of 45.

You need to do some research on HMS Formidable.
It was transferred to the Channel Fleet in 1908 and paid off in Chatham in the August.

Does the age of the groom and John match?

His marriage for our info.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
BOWERS Rhoda Rebecca Portsmouth 2b 1152
CHRISTMAS Arthur Henry Portsmouth 2b 1152
LENEY Elsie Jane Portsmouth 2b 1152
McKAY Frederick John Portsmouth 2b 1152

Age 27 when married = born 1880/1

Age 45 when died = born 1880/1


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MCKAY, RHODA ELLEN BOWERS
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 487

1911 census has him as 32 so born 1978/9. shows born Dundee

1911 Census For England & Wales
11 Cottage View Fratton Portsmouth, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John McKay Head Married Male 32 1879 General Labourer Dundee Scotland
Rr McKay Wife Married Female 24 1887 House Wife Brighton
S B McKay Daughter Single Female 2 1909 Nill Portsmouth
R S McKay - - Female 0 1911 - Portsmouth
C Bartlett Boarder Widow Female 59 1852 - Portsmouth

What is his father's name on the marriage cert?

Unfortunately, marriage not showing on FMP records but incase you don't have these -

Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms

First name(s) Edith Jane
Last name McKay
Birth year 1908
Birth date 17 Sep 1908
Baptism year 1908
Baptism date 12 Oct 1908
Baptism place Portsea, All Saints
Dedication All Saints
Denomination Anglican
Residence 21 Oxford ST
Father's first name(s) Frank John
Mother's first name(s) Rhoda Rebecca
County Hampshire
Country England
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1907-1910

From image - does say his name is Frank. RN Stoker

Edith died
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1908 (>99%)
McKAY Edith Jane 0 Portsmouth 2b 29

Also -
Sarah Alice b 17,9,1909, bap. 23.9.1909 St Mary, Portsea. Of 32 Jacob Street.
Frederick John a Hawker and Rhoda Rebecca

Rhoda 1911 no baptism showing Portsmouth

William (1) John (2)
b 13.9.1916 bap. 28.9.1916 at Portsea All Saints
67 Oxford Street. Frederick John a Soldier and Rhoda Rebec

? twins and William born 1st
EDIT - birth is of William John McKay mmn Bowers so 1 & 2 must refer to 1st and 2nd names!

Birth -
MCKAY, VIOLET JANE BOWERS
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 1027

MCKAY, FREDERICK JOHN BOWERS
GRO Reference: 1921 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 888

???

Frederick John McKay
in the UK, Calendar of Prisoners, 1868-1929
Name: Frederick John McKay
Trial Age: 36
Birth Date: abt 1880
Trial Date: 13 Jul 1916
Trial Place: Portsmouth
Occupation: Carman
Charge: Stealing
Sentence: 2 years

Stealing 43 yards of cloth, property of the London and South Western, and the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway Companies, on 28th June 1916.

Guilty.
Bound over in own recognizances for 2 years under supervision of Probation Officer and to abstain from intoxicants.

Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards


First name(s) Frederick John
Last name McKay
Year 1914-20
Service number 64779
Rank Driver
Regiment Royal Field Artillery Depot
Service record Soldier Number: 64779, Rank: Driver, Corps: Royal Field Artillery Depot
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D3830005
Country Great Britain
Medal type British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920
Archive reference WO372/13
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Record set Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Medal Rolls and Honours
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

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Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920

First name(s) Frederick John
Last name McKay
Service number 64779
Rank Driver
Badge number B12899
Enlistment date 20-Jul-1916
Discharge date 26-Jul-1918
Regiment/unit 4 Depot R.F.A.
Whether served overseas Yes
Badge date of issue 05-Oct-1918
Age on discharge 37
Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920

37 when discharged so if age correct - born post 26 July 1880 and before 26 July 1881

3 Frederick Johns born Forfarshire (Angus) 1880/81.

The 2 St Clement registrations are in Dundee itself

Just incase Father died early and Mother remarried to McKay

Surname Forename Gender Year Ref RD Name Image View
GRIEVE
FREDERICK JOHN
M
1881
282/3 678
St Clement

Above probably on 1891 census with Mother and Aunt in St Clement, Dundee age 9


HAUGHS
FREDERICK JOHNS
M
1880
321/ 37
Tannadice

Above probably on 1891 census with parents in Dun, Forfarshire aged 10, born Tannadice


HUMPHRIES
FREDERICK JOHN
M
1880
282/3 493
St Clement

Above not found

THE CARMAN AND THE CLOTHROLL.—The petty jury had to decide whether Frederick John McKay, 36, carman in the employ of Messrs. Pickford, carriers, stole a roll of tweed, value £3, consigned to Messrs. McIlroy ....
13 July 1916 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

This states he was called up to join the army on the 21st.

Frederick Humphries that you found greyghost?

British Army Service Records

First name(s) Frederick
Last name Humphries
Birth year 1880
Birth parish Dundee
Birth town Dundee
Birth county Forfarshire (Angus)
Birth country Scotland
Service number 6360
Regiment Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Year 1897
Attestation date 24 May 1897
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 10
Attestation service number 6360
Attestation corps 3rd Batt Rl Highlanders
Document type Attestation

and 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Arthur Street, Dundee, St Clement, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Ellen Humphries Wife Married Female 37 1854 Millwkr Spinner Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
William Humphries Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Fredrick Humphries Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Emily E Humphries Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Peter Humphries Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
James Humphries Son - Male 1 1890 - Dundee, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

His father was Fred.

A much older thread states he was born 18 March 1882:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1238551

Rose