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Frederick moore 1916abt robbery

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2021 22:45

I don't know if this could be the same man or not.

Note his aliases - Wallace and Moore.


Frederick May
in the UK, Registers of Habitual Criminals and Police Gazettes, 1834-1934
Name: Frederick May [alias Frederick Wallace] [alias Frederick Moore]
Event Type: Conviction
Conviction Age: 32
Birth Date: 1895
Birth Place: London
Conviction Date: 22 Mar 1927
Charge: Housebreaking
Sentence: 3 years
Jail: Dartmoor

Occupation: painter.
Intended address on release: London

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2021 22:40

I fear you're grasping at straws, Caris.

Births:

MOORE, FREDERICK HUMPHREY mmn FUCE
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 179

MOORE, ARTHUR mmn FUCE
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 156

MOORE, MARMADUKE FRANK mmn FUCE
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 172


Marmaduke Frank died:

Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%)
Moore Marmaduke Frank 0 Kensington 1a 123



Arthur Moore 1891 was baptised as Marmaduke Arthur, probably in memory of Marmaduke 1890:

Marmaduke Arthur Moore
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Marmaduke Arthur Moore
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1891
Baptism Place: Worlds End St John, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Marmaduke Walace Moore
Mother: Louisa Annie Moore
Register Type: Parish Register



Frederick H Moore
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Frederick H Moore
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Marmaduke Moore
Mother: Louisa A Moore
Birth Place: Kensington, London, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration District: Chelsea
Sub-registration District: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 79
Folio: 150
Page Number: 47
Household Schedule Number: 374
Household Members:
Name Age
Marmaduke Moore 41
Louisa A Moore 31
Marmaduke A Moore 9
Frederick H Moore 8
Wallace Moore 7
Henry Moore 4
Ellen Moore 2
Louisa Moore 8/12



Frederick Humphrey Moore
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frederick Humphrey Moore
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Fulham
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Lodge Avenue, Fulham S W
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Porter Picture Shop
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration District: North East Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 331
Household Members:
Name Age
Marmaduke Wallace Moore 52
Marmaduke Arthur Moore 19
Frederick Humphrey Moore 17
Wallace Moore 15
Nelly Moore 12
Edward Moore 8

I don't see him definitely after 1911.
He wasn't the only Frederick H Moore born in 1892-3

Caris

Caris Report 8 May 2021 21:22

something dont make sense, theres also a marmaduke arther moore 1892 parents louisa fuce and marmaduke moore. can someone help i have been on this for so long lol

Caris

Caris Report 8 May 2021 21:15

on ancestry, my nan has a dna match to people who have relatives of a a frederick h moore 1893 - 1961 parents louisa a fuce 1870 - 1909 and marmaduke moore 1860 - 1933 in Fulham

theres also another frederick moore in connection to these who have a dna match and i have messaged them but they have no knowledge of a fred moore? can anyone find if this frederick was in prison or in new maldon sureey in around 1935?

Caris

Caris Report 8 May 2021 21:08

ah ok so that person will be out the question then, as my nan mentioned a frederick moore.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2021 20:52

Alviegal's post on page 1, about the robbery, says:

"In October Frederick Moore was sentenced to 9 months in prison. He also stated that his real name was Theodore Peter Marshall and he was no relation to the Moores. He did not want his parents to know what he was doing."

Caris

Caris Report 8 May 2021 20:47

this just got confusing for me, so theodore used frederick as a fake then?

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 8 May 2021 18:38

If you look back at my post of 3rd May 14.19 you will see that Frederick was not one of his birth names.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2021 16:26

No, sorry, I don't see Hugh's birth, assuming he was born in or near Banham.

Caris

Caris Report 8 May 2021 16:24

looking back on the theodore marshall post, would he actually be born as theodore then and not frederick?

Caris

Caris Report 8 May 2021 14:28

hi great thank you, do you happen to be able to find hugh moores parents? iv searched but i dont know what date he was born its shows about 1704?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 May 2021 11:08

Child of Hugh and Elizabeth ??

Mary Moor
in the Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1579-1935
Name: Mary Moor
Gender: Female
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 17 Nov 1730
Baptism Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Father: Hugh Moor
Mother: Eliz.
FHL Film Number: 1545209


The image on FS shows it to have been in Banham.


Her death??

Mary Moor
England, Norfolk Bishop's Transcripts, 1685-1941
Name: Mary Moor
Sex: Female
Death or Burial Date: 27 Sep 1734
Death or Burial Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England [Banham on image ]
Father's Name: Hugh Moor
Record Type: burial
GS Film Number: 1545209

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 May 2021 11:05

Probable first marriage for Hugh -:

Hugh Moore
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Hugh Moore
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 09 Apr 1729
Marriage Place: Wymondham, Norfolk, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Trosse
FHL Film Number: 1911511
Reference ID: item 5

Elizabeth's name's difficult to decipher on the image.
Another transcription has it as Troghe, and yet another has Troyse.

Wymondham is about 10 miles from Banham.


Her death:

Eliz. Moor
in the Norfolk, England, Transcripts of Church of England Baptism, Marriage and Burial Registers, 1600-1935
Name: Eliz. Moor
Gender: Female
Record Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1740
Burial Date: 14 Jul 1740
Burial Place: Banham, Norfolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Spouse: Hugh Moor
Parish as it Appears: Banham

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 May 2021 10:52

And another:

Robert Moor
in the Norfolk, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812
Name: Robert Moor
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 May 1743
Baptism Place: Banham, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Hugh Moor
Mother: Alice Moor


Robert Moor
in the Norfolk, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812
Name: Robert Moor
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1743
Burial Date: 9 Nov 1743
Burial Place: Banham, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: Hugh Moor
Mother: Alice Moor

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 May 2021 10:49

Baptism and burial of another child?? -

Henry Moore
in the Norfolk, England, Transcripts of Church of England Baptism, Marriage and Burial Registers, 1600-1935
Name: Henry Moore
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Oct 1756
Baptism Place: Banham, Norfolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Hugh Moore
Mother: Alice Moore
Parish as it Appears: Banham


Henry Moore
in the Norfolk, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1535-1812
Name: Henry Moore
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1763
Burial Date: 4 Sep 1763
Burial Place: Banham, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: Hugh Moore
Mother: Alice Moore

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 May 2021 10:42

The image of Stephen's baptism record on Ancestry shows that he was baptised in Banham.


??
Hugh Moor
in the Norfolk, England, Transcripts of Church of England Baptism, Marriage and Burial Registers, 1600-1935
Name: Hugh Moor
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1742
Marriage Place: Banham, Norfolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Spouse: Alice Wellam
Parish as it Appears: Banham

Hugh was a widower; Alice was a spinster.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 May 2021 09:27

There will very little info other than parish records

So

Norfolk, England, Bishop's Transcripts, 1579-1935 No Image
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Name: Stephen Moore
Gender: Male
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1744
Baptism Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Father: Hugh Moore
Mother: Alice
FHL Film Number: 1545210

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 May 2021 09:24

Try family search site

Caris

Caris Report 6 May 2021 23:32

can anyone help me with finding information on a HUGH MOORE abt 1721? norfolk
he married a ALICE ??

had son Stephen Moore ABT1744 Norfolk

Stephen Moore married to Mary Deeks 1762.

thank you.



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 May 2021 16:21

He was using the name Theodore in 1937 and 1938 when he's on the Electoral Roll for Battersea, and also in 1939 when he married Alice Crowley.

He joined the army at some time between 1929 and 1932:

Theodore Peter Oswald Marshall
in the Surrey, England, Regimental Rolls and Recruitment Registers, 1914-1947
[ East Surrey 1929-32 Enlistment Register ]
Name: Theodore Peter Oswald Marshall
Regiment Number: 6139872
Regiment: East Surrey


Peter T O Marshall
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Peter T O Marshall
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1911
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 1 Auckland Road
Residence Place: Battersea, London, England
Occupation: Lorry Driver
Line Number: 6
Schedule Number: 138
Sub Schedule Number: 8
Enumeration District: ABPF
Borough: Battersea
Registration district: 23/2
Household Members Age
Edward A Cox 54
Amelia Cox 49
Charles W Cox 20
Priscilla E Cox 25
Grace E Cox 23
May R Cox 15
Peter T O Marshall 28

He was also lodging with the Cox famiy in 1937 and 1938.

He was on the ERs in Battersea again in 1946-1954, as Theodore.


His death:

Peter Theodore Marshall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Peter Theodore Marshall
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1911
Registration Date: Jun 1989
Registration District: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 1011


His baptism:

Theodore Peter Oswald Marshall
in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1913
Name: Theodore Peter Oswald Marshall
Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1911
Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1911
Baptism Place: Watermoor, Holy Trinity, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Cirencester
Father: John Arthur Marshall
Mother: Emily Marshall


His wife's death:

Alice Eileen Marshall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alice Eileen Marshall
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1920
Registration Date: Jul 1984
Registration District: Sutton
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 15
Page: 145