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Thank you to all those who posted a reply. Yes, I was referring to Hythe , Kent of Cinque Ports. I do have a lot of Cloak history of this side. I still am of opinion that the Rye family originated in Hythe, but as Mark has advised trying to obtain info prior to 1700 very hard. Everyone have a great day & thanks again from Australia. Graham

It looks as though there are two groups. One who has always lived in the Folkestone/Hythe area and one that has always lived in Rye.

If they were once the same family it must have been before the mid 1700’s - a difficult period to research.

It looks as though there are two groups. One who has always lived in the Folkestone/Hythe area and one that has always lived in Rye.

If they were once the same family it must have been before the mid 1700’s - a difficult period to research.

William Noakes Cloak was the Son of Henry (Rye 1816) & Mary Baldick.
Henry looks as though he was the son of John Cloak/Cloke/Clock born @1781 and Ann @1786

Graham is a distant cousin of mine, although he won't know me by my 'Names' name.

You do have the correct parents for him but don't see why they were shown as he had already given his Cloak/Cloke details.

tree on ancestry suggests

Isabel Marion Lovegrove
1933–1995
Birth 3 JAN 1933 • Sale, Victoria, Australia
Death 18 FEB 1995 • Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

parents


Gordon Cunningham Lovegrove
1900–1969
Birth 4 JUN 1900 • London, Middlesex, England
Death 1969 • Sale, Victoria, Australia


Meryl Lexie Laurel Zacher
1904–1963
Birth 17 NOV 1904 • Sale, Victoria, Australia
Death 27 NOV 1963 • Traralgon, Victoria, Australia


grandparents


Rhoda Sarah Cloak
1873–1959
Birth 25 JUL 1873 • Sale, Victoria, Australia
Death 29 JUL 1959 • Victoria, Australia

Charles Zacher
1867–1951
Birth 28 JUL 1867 • Mortlake, Victoria, Australia
Death 31 AUG 1951 • Sale, Victoria, Australia

FMP version of 1851.........gives a better layout than Ancestry, IMO

Wish Ward, Rye, Sussex, England
Henry Cloke - Married Male 34 1817 Agricultural Labourer Rye, Sussex, England
Mary - Wife Married Female 30 1821 - Rye, Sussex, England
William N Son - Male 10 1841 - Rye, Sussex, England
Harriet A Daughter - Female 7 1844 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
Henry J Son - Male 5 1846 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
Mary E Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
Selina M Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Rye, Sussex, England


and 1841

William Baldick Male 55 1786 Sussex, England
Ann Baldick Female 54 1787 Sussex, England
James Baldick Male 25 1816 Sussex, England
Henry Cloake Male 28 1813 Sussex, England
Mary Cloake Female 24 1817 Sussex, England
William Cloake Male 0 1841 Sussex, England

Marriages Mar 1839 (>99%)
BALDICK Mary Ann Rye 7 524A
CLOAK Henry Rye 7 524A
Copy cert would provide his father's name - if known

We would now know Limpne as Lympne. Again it is in the same area. All these places more or less surround Romney Marsh. Once notorious for smuggling.

John Cloak
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 12 Oct 1801
Marriage Place: Limpne, Kent, England
Spouse:
Hannah Mannerings
FHL Film Number: 1736875
Reference ID: 660-9

John Cloak
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 8 Feb 1778
Baptism Place: Parish Church of Monks Horton, Kent, England
Father:
Benjamin Cloak
Mother:
Mary
FHL Film Number: 1751982
Reference ID: p 184

Siblings of Richard

Birth of Brother Edward Cloke(1811–1811)
29 Aug 1811 • Willesborough, Kent, England
1811

Death of Brother Edward Cloke(1811–1811)
abt 1811
1811

Birth of Sister Catherine Cloke(1819–1839)
22 Aug 1819 • Hythe, Kent, England
1819

Birth of Sister Caroline Cloke(1821–1901)
16 Dec 1821 • Hythe, Kent, England
1821

Birth of Sister Eleanor Cloke(1824–1830)
12 Jan 1824 • Hythe, Kent, England

Death of Sister Eleanor Cloke(1824–1830)
10 Sep 1830 • Hythe, Kent, England

Birth of Sister Charlotte Cloke(1802–1873)
21 Feb 1802 • Saltwood, Kent, England
1802

Birth of Brother John Cloke(1804–1879)
15 Apr 1804 • Saltwood, Kent, England
1804


Birth of Brother William Cloke(1806–1879)
1806 • Saltwood, Kent, England

Wouldn't normally post Ancestry tree info, but this one is well-researched, and documented

NO Henry............................

HYTHE in Kent is one of the original Cinque Ports - Rye is associated as a ‘Head’ Port

For Ref

First name(s) Richard Ovey
Last name Cloke
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1808
Baptism date 18 Sep 1808
Residence Hythe, Kent, England
Place -
County Kent
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Cloke
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
Mother's last name -

Graham needs to let you know which of the many English Hythes he is referring to. Hythe in Kent is not too far from Rye in Sussex.

No suggestion of any connection with Cheshire as far as I can see

The only UK place named by the OP is HYTHE

1861 census

Henry Cloke
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: 1817
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Rye, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Rye
Town: Rye
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Rye
Sub-registration District: Rye
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 14
Piece: 557
Folio: 102
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Cloke 44
Henriet Cloke 17
Henry Cloke 15
Mary Cloke 13
Selina Cloke 11
George Cloke 9
Sarah Foster 61
Thomas Foster 17

Can’t see there is a connection as the family are in Sussex which is a long way from Cheshire

CLOKE, WILLIAM NOAKES BALDICK
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in RYE UNION Volume 07 Page 450


Mary Ann Baldick
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Birth Date: 1820
Marriage Date: 03 Feb 1838
Marriage Place: Playden,Sussex,England
Father:
William Baldick
Spouse:
Henry Cloak
FHL Film Number: 1067261


Mary Ann Cloke
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Rye
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 1

Wm N Cloke
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Rye, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Rye
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Rye
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Romney Marsh
Sub-registration District: New Romney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 8
Piece: 1634
Folio: 363
Page Number: 2
Household Members:

Henry cloke b 1817

Mary cloke b1821

Haned A Cloke
[Harriet A Cloke]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844

Henry J Cloke
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846

Mary E Cloke
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848

Mary E Cloke
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848

All born Rye Sussex

William Noakes Cloke
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1841
Baptism Place: Rye, Sussex, England
Father:
Henry Cloke
Mother:
Mary
FHL Film Number: 1067290
Reference ID: - 2:2WFSF8G