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James Charles Williams c1869 Glamorgan

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Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 8 May 2021 18:50

James Charles Williams is thought to have been born c1869 in Glamorganshire. He married Dora Annie Anderson (c1871) in 1888, which is registered at Barton Regis, Bristol, Gloucestershire.

Unfortunately I am unable to find either James or Dora (known as Annie) on any census either pre marriage or after when they had a family - Francis Charles c1893, Eva Mary Louise Williams c1901 or Gwenny May Williams c1903.

Trying to help a friend piece some of her family together but it is proving to be very frustrating. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Lynne

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2021 19:09

RD's for births ofchildren you name to help find possible census entries

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

WILLIAMS, FRANCIS CHARLES ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 71

WILLIAMS, EVA MARY LOUISE ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 484

WILLIAMS, GWENNY MAY ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 635

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2021 19:19

?? marriage for Eva

First name(s) Eva M L
Last name Williams
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1922
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™
Eva M L Williams married one of these people
Mark Ricketts
Spouse's last name Ricketts
District Bristol
District number -
County Gloucestershire

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 8 May 2021 19:19

Thank you greyghost,

I have this info and tried to use it to check the census both for England and Wales - 1901 and 1911!

I have tried to use wildcards, surname only, initials, where birth registered etc.

What I am trying to find is the parents of both James and Dora known as Annie!

Lynne


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 May 2021 19:25

Buy a copy of their marriage cert to find out if they knew their fathers

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2021 19:32

Helpers have no idea what information you have or haven't got unless you tell us. Meantimes we're trying to work round what we can find to try to help.

You said in your OP you couldn't find James or Dora pre or post marriage, so presumably couldn't find the children either.

It might help to get the marriage certificate which should give their ages and occupations and Father's names and occupations.

Perhaps you could tell us all you know.

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 8 May 2021 19:38

Sorry greyghost,

What I should have said was that I haven't been able to find them on any census pre or post marriage.

Thank you for your help.

Lynne

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2021 19:38

Bearing in mind possible marriage in Bristol for daughter Eva, could this be Dora's death

Name: Age at Death (in years):
WILLIAMS, DORA ANNIE 47
GRO Reference: 1918 J Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 41

Ancestry trees suggest it is and that Charles died 1954 in Merthyr Tydfil

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2021 19:41

Also on Ancestry trees - James Charles Williams enlisted aged 45 in 1915 but only lasted a few months before being discharge no longer physically fit.
NOK was wife at 22 ? Cross Street in St Pauls district, Bristol

An Ancestry tree has baptism of a son 24 May 1888 James George to Dora Annie Anderson at St Mark's, Easton, Glos. Abode Barton Regis Workhouse and her occupation said to be a Charwoman

None of the trees has parents for James or Dora

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 8 May 2021 19:47

Most certainly looks like the death registration.

I have found what I believe to by James death in 1954!

Lynne

malyon

malyon Report 8 May 2021 19:51

could this be gwenny's death

Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
Williams Gwenny May 1 Llanelly 11a 527

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2021 20:00

There was a Q3 1902 birth in Llanelly Malyon - mmn Lewis

Lynne From Up North !!

Lynne From Up North !! Report 8 May 2021 20:06

Thank you.

I will suggest to my friend to order a copy of the marriage certificate.

Lynne

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 May 2021 20:08

Said to be Gwenney's marriage

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1921 (>99%)
Dagger Francis H Williams Bristol 6a 423
Williams Gwen M Dagger Bristol 6a 423

a daughter born 1924 - Gwendoline May and

Gwenny's death 1929 Bristol

safc

safc Report 8 May 2021 20:12

????

Census County District Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1871 Glamorgan (GLA) Pontypridd Llantwit Fardre Llantwit Fardre 5382 11 47 11 70 Goodmans Court

New Search Revise Search Back to Results Previous Search Result Next Search Result Generate Citation

Details of each person in the dwelling
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
LLEWELLYN Thomas Head M M 30 Coal Miner GLA Bridgend
LLEWELLYN Sarah Wife M F 27 GLA Pontypridd
LLEWELLYN Ann M Dau - F 5 GLA Pontypridd
LLEWELLYN Thomas Son - M 4 GLA Havod
LLEWELLYN John Son - M 1 GLA Pontypridd
WILLIAMS George Boardr M M 32 Mason SOM Tickenham
WILLIAMS Mary A Bdrwif M F 31 (Boarders Wife) CON St Just
WILLIAMS William G Brdson - M 6 (Boarders Son) CON Penzance
WILLIAMS Mary A Brddau - F 4 (Boarders Dau) GLA Pontypridd
the person found in your search WILLIAMS James Ch Brdson - M 1 (Boarders Son) GLS Bristol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

safc

safc Report 8 May 2021 20:14

Name James Charles L Williams
Event Date 1868
Event Place Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Clifton
Page 59
Volume 6A
Affiliate Line Number 139
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1868

safc

safc Report 8 May 2021 20:15

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
ANDERSON Dora Annie Barton R. 6a 339
Miller Laura Kate Barton R. 6a 339
Miller Laura Kate Barton R. 6a 339
Rich Edward James Barton R 6a 339
WILLIAMS James Charles L Barton R. 6a 339 xxxxxxxxxxxx

malyon

malyon Report 8 May 2021 20:22

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)

ANDERSON Dora Annie Barton R. 6a 339
WILLIAMS James Charles L Barton R. 6a 339

safc

safc Report 8 May 2021 20:23

????

Day Month 12-Nov
Year 1865
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Paul
Forename William George Eddy
Surname WILLIAMS
Sex
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename George
Mother Forename Mary Anne
Residence Mousehole
Parish
Status Or Occupation Mason
Where Baptised
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Diane Donohue

safc

safc Report 8 May 2021 20:25

Day Month 08-Apr
Year 1865
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Madron
Groom Fn George Philias
Groom Sn WILLIAMS
Groom Age 25
Groom Residence Penzance
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession Mason
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name James Williams
Groom Father Rank Profession Mason
Bride Fn Mary Ann
Bride Sn EDDY
Bride Age 27
Bride Residence Penzance
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name William Eddy
Bride Father Rank Profession Shoemaker
Banns / Licence (B/L) Banns
Witness Fn1 Alexander
Witness Sn1 BRANDER
Witness Fn2 Grace
Witness Sn2 BADCOCK
Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Diane Donohue