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Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 12:31

My Great Aunt Bessie/Elizabeth Potter, 8 Sep 1903, Pontypridd, Glam to 21 Dec 1969 Adelaide, Australia, married Alexander Murray Aston 28 Apr 1908, South Australia, to 6 Aug 1954 South Australia. They married 29 Sep 1928, Adelaide, Australia.

They had 3 girls, Colleen Glynda Aston, 1933. Gwynith Hope Aston, 1936 and Bronwyn Elizabeth Aston, 1945.

I know the names are correct, but the DOB's were given to me from a family member.

I know Australian records are different to ours, can you give me some guidance as to how I can verify all of the above information, and find any spouses/children of the 3 girls.

I know the name of the spouse of Gwynith, it was Marcus Gustav Krieg, and I was told they had 5 children, Paul 1953, Anthea 1965, Meredith 1963, Kathryn 1966 and Bronwyn 1966.

My question is how can I verify all of this please.

Just for background information, Bessie/Elizabeth Potter is the sister of my Grandmother, I don't need any information regarding any of her siblings as I have it all, they were Mildred (my Nan) Gertrude May, Eliza Ellen, Charity Louise, and Arthur Wyndham, all from Wales.

Bessie/ Elizabeth emigrated to Australia as a young woman, not sure when. 1920's probably.

Thank you in advance.


ErikaH Report 8 Jul 2021 12:40

Alexander Murray Aston was born in Australia in 1907 and died there on 6 August 1954

Nothing on FMP for the daughters - presumably too recent


greyghost Report 8 Jul 2021 12:41

Found by googling South Australia bmd

Anyone has access to:

birth certificates more than 100 years old
death certificates more than 30 years old
marriage certificates more than 75 years old.

Also tells you who can and who can't apply under what circumstances without those limits

You could also try Trove Australian newspapers - there may be family notices


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 12:44

That's the first bit of incorrect information I was given then!!, thank you ErikaH.


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 12:45

Thank you greyghost, I didn't realise there was an Australian bmd. I will have a look at that.


greyghost Report 8 Jul 2021 12:54

Electoral rolls for South Australia show an Alexander Murray Aston with Bessie Humphrys Aston at 22 Porter Street, Parkside in 1939, 1941, but in 1943 there on his own. He's a Salesman. She appears to be recorded at a hostel in Lobethal in 1943


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 12:58

That's interesting!!


greyghost Report 8 Jul 2021 13:05


Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Transcript of Bessie's record
First name(s) Bessie
Last name Potter
Gender Female
Birth year 1903
Age 20
Age as transcribed 20
Occupation Domestic
Departure day 15
Departure month 12
Departure year 1923
Departure port London
Entry struck out N
Destination port Adelaide
Departure country England
Destination Adelaide
State or territory South Australia
Country Australia
Destination place - country AUSTRALIA
Destination country Australia
Ship name Esperance Bay
Ship official number 140148
Ship registered tonnage 8451
Ship master's title Captain
Ship master's first name R
Ship master's last name Mackenzie
Shipping line Australian Commonwealth Line
Number of passengers 726
Ship destination port Australia
Ship destination country Australia
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Australasia

Last address in UK - 1 Park Cottage, off Gwern Ave, Senshenydd. going to Adelaide. A Domestic

Google - Could be Senghenydd, Caerphilly - not far from Pontypridd


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:07

I do know that Bessie and daughter Bronwyn came to the UK for a family reunion, I have the group photo, I found the passenger list in 1951, which would be correct, and now you have said that I see the name of her mother was stated as Bessie H Aston, which I hadn't noticed before. I have no idea where the Humphrys came from.


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:10

Just googled it, Gwern Avenue is an address in Wales.


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:10

My Mum told me she worked for Woolworths, and went out on a £10 ticket.


greyghost Report 8 Jul 2021 13:14

Might be worth looking back for earlier generation marriages to see if the Humphrys/Humphreys/Humphries name comes up anywhere (as with the Wyndham)

Not from Bessies immediate parents

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 522

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Potter Arthur W Martin Merthyr T. 11a 1626

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
Earland Susan Pontypridd 11a 990
Jones William Pontypridd 11a 990
MARTIN Charity Pontypridd 11a 990
Potter Arthur Pontypridd 11a 990


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:14

In 1943 (if it is her) she had had 2 of her children by then, the 3rd was born 1945


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:17

There is a Humphreys, but its on my Mums Dads side, this is my Mums Mums side.


greyghost Report 8 Jul 2021 13:17

Children don't show on ER's


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:20

Arthur Wyndham Potter is her brother, Arthur Potter and Charity Martin are her parents.


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:25

This has just struck a cord with me!!!!! A few years ago her daughter Gwynith told me that when Bessie's mother died in 1911, after giving birth to Wyndham, she died in childbirth, she asked me if I could find out where her mother was sent, and I am sure I found a lady by the surname Humphries where she could have been staying, I have that somewhere in my archives.


greyghost Report 8 Jul 2021 13:26

Yes - realise the relationship, was hoping to find a possible Humphreys link. The 2 birth records confirmed their Mothers maiden name and so the marriage.

Do you have this - just looking around and came across it

Australia Billion Graves Cemetery Index
South Australia

Transcript of Elizabeth Humphries's record
First name(s) Elizabeth Humphries
Last name Aston
Birth year -
Death year 1969
Death date 20 Dec 1969
Cemetery Enfield Memorial Park
City Clearview
County Adelaide
State South Australia
Country Australia
Image link
Record set Australia Billion Graves Cemetery Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Australasia, Australia


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:28

She probably adopted the name Humphries as a sort of thank you. I will have to find the census, or whatever it was I found. I did tell Gwynith, but she said her head was unable to deal with these sort of things any longer so I didn't pursue it, but I will still have the paperwork.


Deborah Report 8 Jul 2021 13:30

Yes I do have that, but your version gives more information, thank you for that. Will go and find the Humphries paperwork.