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thanks all for the info

The poster asked ONLY about Lithgow ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

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Harold Fawcett
Last name Pilcher
Birth year 1900
Birth date 08 Oct 1900
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Occupation Tool maker -------------------
Attestation year 1918
Attestation date 16 Sep 1918
Attestation age 18
Service number 296118
Archive reference AIR 79/2582
Next of kin first name(s) -
Next of kin last name Pilcher

1911
24 Kangley Bdge Road Lower Sydenham, Lewisham, London & Kent, England

Married Male 48 1863 Blacksmith Kent Hythe
Hannah Pilcher Wife
Married Female 43 1868 - Surrey Penge
Walter R Pilcher Son
Single Male 17 1894 Instrument maker London Sydenham
William A Pilcher Son
Single Male 16 1895 Boy clerk London Sydenham
Frank H Pilcher Son
Single Male 15 1896 Office boy London Sydenham
Harold F Pilcher Son
- Male 10 1901 School London Sydenham
Alice M Pilcher Daughter
- Female 3 1908 - London Sydenham
Deborah Pilcher Mother
Widow Female 80 1831 - Kent Selling
Record set British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939

Good find, alviegal.

However, it seems they didn't marry, at least not in the UK:

Harold Fawcett Pilcher
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Harold Fawcett Pilcher
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 8 Oct 1900
Registration Date: Oct 1982[Nov 1982] [Dec 1982]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Hove
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 1115



Harold Fawcett Pilcher
in the UK, Royal Air Force Airmen Records, 1918-1940
Name: Harold Fawcett Pilcher
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Birth Date: 8 Oct 1900
Birth Place: Lewisham, London, London, England
Service Date: 16 Sep 1918
Service Number: 296118
Father: Walter William Pilcher
Next of Kin: Walter William Pilcher
Relation to Airman: Father

Possibly a later actual marriage??

Harold F Pilcher
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Harold F Pilcher
Registration Date: Oct 1962[Nov 1962] [Dec 1962]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Hove
Inferred County: Sussex
Spouse: Nora Carr
Volume Number: 5h
Page Number: 561


Norah Pilcher
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Norah Pilcher [Nora Pilcher]
Death Date: 25 Apr 1981
Death Place: Hove
Probate Date: 27 May 1981
Probate Registry: Brighton

Nora Salew Pilcher
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nora Salew Pilcher
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 25 Jul 1900
Registration Date: Apr 1981[May 1981] [Jun 1981]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Brighton
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 0270


BUT you still need the 1957 marriage cert to find out about William Lithgow, Ian!

Howard Lloyd
Last name Pryce
Role Occupier
Year 1921
Date 05 Apr 1921
House number 13
Address Spencer Road
County Hampshire
Country England
Parish Portsea
Place Portsea Island
Owner's first name(s) W W
Owner's last name Evans

He was a travelling Commissioner in the Gambia.


His wife in 1911. So it looks like Angela Mary was from quite a well to do family.


1911 Census For England & Wales
22 Cedars Road Clapham S W, Wandsworth Borough, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Herbert Fogeltson Bartlett Head Married Male 63 1848 Civil service commisioner - inland revenue Plymouth Devon
France Mary Bartlett Wife Married Female 63 1848 - Cambridge Cambridge
Ethel Constance Bartlett Daughter Married Female 32 1879 - Dulwick Surrey
Laura Simpson Hospital nurse Single Female 30 1881 Nurse sick Wolstanton Stafford
Elizabeth Fyfe Hospital nurse Single Female 28 1883 Nurse sick Ruchevill Aberdeen
Ethel Elpick Servant Single Female 23 1888 Servant Herstmonco East Surrey
>>Vivienne Pryce Daughter Married Female 29 1882 - Clapham Surrey
Fanny Wyeth Servant Single Female 38 1873 Servant Sunbury Surrey

and her probate index. Same address mentioned in the above post.

Vivienne
Last name Pryce
Death year 1956
Death date 26 Mar 1956
Probate year 1956
Probate date 08 Jun 1956
Residence town The Towans (Tiranoque)
Registry London
County Cornwall
Linked persons Frank Archibald Stanley Gibson
Country England
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019

Births Jun 1936 (>99%)
Lambert Michael C Millard Portsmouth 2b 799
Norris Sheila Pearce Portsmouth 2b 799
>>PILCHER Richard F Lloyd-Pryce Portsmouth 2b 799
TAYLOR Margaret P Betts Portsmouth 2b 799
WATSON Beryl E Castleton Portsmouth 2b 799


Births Sep 1913
Pryce Angela M Bartlett Havant 2b 701


Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Bartlett Vivienne Wandsworth 1d 1205
Pryce Howard Lloyd Wandsworth 1d 1205



Name: Harold Fawcett Pilcher
Gender: Male
Departure Age: 47
Birth Date: abt 1901
Departure Date: 17 Feb 1948
Departure Port: England
Ship Name: Empire Windrush
Shipping Line: P& O New Zealand Shipping Co Ltd
Destination Port: Aden, Yemen

Travelling with 34 year old wife, Mary Angela Pilcher. Last address in UK was Tiranoque, Towans, Hayle, Cornwall.


Name: Master Richard Fawcett Pilcher
Arrival Age: 2
Birth Date: abt 1936
Port of Departure: Kingston, Jamaica
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1938
Port of Arrival: Bristol, England
Ports of Voyage: Kingston and Bermuda
Ship Name: Carare
Shipping Line: Messrs Elders and Fyffes Ltd
Official Number: 147345

Travelling with 25 year old Mrs Angela Mary Pilcher to 13 Spencer Rd, Southsea, Hants.

The man born 1934 is LIVING and has had two wives, neither of whom was Pilcher

The only way to identify him is to get the marriage cert to Mary Pilcher

On the other hand, William 1934 was educated at Winchester College.

I agree, William 1934 is unlikely to be Angela Mary's husband, presumably she was being facetious in the events recorded by the news article, especially as by that time William had already succeeded to the title, but felt it warranted a little investigation.

Marriage cert required!

Although the marriage to Valerie Scott was registered in 1st qr 1963, I think they married in late 1963.

Valerie died in Glasgow in August 1964.

"GLASGOW, Scotland, Aug. 7 (AP)—Lady Lithgow, the wife of Sir William Lithgow, the millionaire shipbuilder, died last night in a hospital. Her age was 28. She was stricken a week ago with encephalitis, a virus infection of the brain.
Sir William, who is 29, is himself confined to bed with mumps. They had been married a year."
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/08/08/archives/lady-lithgow.html

William 1934 and second wife still live in Argyll.

I would be very surprised if William 1934 is the man who married Angela - but
Alviegal's newspaper clipping is interesting - maybe Mary Angela was drunkenly joking??

Can only repeat - you need the 1957 marriage cert.

Re alviegal's news item. Lord Lithgow did have a son, still living now, William J. He was born in 1934, and succeeded to the title.

Just google for more info.

He is the chap who married Mary C Hill in 1967.

EDIT, the titled William J Lithgow had been married before, to a Valerie H Scott in Mar 1964 Tonbridge 5b 2113.

No mention of a marriage to cougar Mary Angela

http://www.thepeerage.com/p41867.htm

Alternative 1939 for Angela. This has her year of birth as 1873 but it does read 1913. Name is Angela M Pilcher.

1939 Register
White Waltham Grove, White Waltham, Cookham R.D., Berkshire, England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Ronald K Inman 05 Mar 1881 Male Surveyor & Valuer Ret Married 227 1
Ida B Inman 27 Sep 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married 227 2
Diana K Inman 20 Nov 1920 Female Womens Single 227 3
Guthrie M Inman 26 Feb 1912 Male Solicitors Practitioners Single 227 4
>>Angela Lithgow (Pitcher) 13 Apr 1873 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 227 5
Suzanne Woods 20 May 1917 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married 227 6
Francis Wainwright 07 Sep 1892 Female State Certified Edwife & District Single 227 7

That would mean there had been a divorce…………

Did he maybe remarry

Name: William J Lithgow
Registration Date: Jul 1967
[Aug 1967]
[Sep 1967]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Mere
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Spouse: Mary C Hill
Volume Number: 7c
Page Number: 2063

???

WOMAN DRIVER ON DRINK CHARGE
Asked for her identity by a doctor, a woman replied "Lord Lithgow's daughter." Later she amended this to "Lord Lithgow's daughter in law."
This was stated at Havant Magistrate's Court yesterday when Mary Angela Lithgow (45) a housewife and television audience interviewer of The White Cottage, Castle Road, Rowlands castle .....

10 December 1958 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Get the marriage cert for its info
Marriages Sep 1957
LITHGOW William J PILCHER Penzance 7a 243
PILCHER Mary A LITHGOW Penzance 7a 243

No help with William -

In the 1939 Register, Angela/Mary is listed as married.

Possible first marriages:

Marriages Mar 1936 (>99%)
Pilcher Philip C Robineault Hampstead 1a 1141
Robincault Angela Pilcher Hampstead 1a 1141

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
Aumonier Mary A Pilcher Hampstead 1a 1947
PILCHER Charlie D Aumonier Hampstead 1a 1947

Marriages Sep 1933 (>99%)
Pilcher Alfred F Simpson Paddington 1a 181
Simpson Mary A Pilcher Paddington 1a 181

EDIT:
Not the 1929 couple - that woman's middle name was Allison, born 1907, per a tree on Ancestry.


Not the 1936 couple - that woman's name was Angelina, born 21 March 1912, died 1979 in Bristol.


Not the 1933 couple either!
Her middle name was Ann, and they are together in London in 1939.

Ah, well!

Assuming William was (very) roughly about Angela Mary's age, and assuming his middle name was given, there are two possible deaths:

LITHGOW, WILLIAM JOHN 1927
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2010 in BEDFORD (3161B) Reg 1B009 Entry Number 502898466

Deaths Dec 1959 (>99%)
LITHGOW William J 41 Chesterfield 3a 171


But that's assuming a lot!

You definitely need the marriage cert.

not that it helps

1939

Nethercliffe West Waltham, Woolley Green, Cookham R.D., Berkshire, England
1939 register badge
View original record
Transcript of Angela M's record
First name(s) Angela M
Last name(s) Lithgow (Pelcher)
DOB 13 Apr 1913
Birth day 13
Birth month 4
Birth year 1913
Sex Female
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Marital status Married
Place Cookham R.D.
Schedule 227
Schedule Sub Number 5
Address Nethercliffe West Waltham, Woolley Green
E. D. letter code DUFH
Borough / District Cookham R.D.
County Berkshire
County Berkshire
Country England
Piece number 2072E
Item number 20
Line number 19

Name: Angela Mary Lithgow
Death Date: 10 May 1988
Death Place: Winchester Hants
Probate Date: 9 Jun 1988
Probate Registry: Winchester