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Henry Smith born 22/5/1837

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Ellen

Ellen Report 2 Sep 2021 05:30

I am looking for shipping details to Australia for a Henry Smith born 22/5/1837 Surrey England died 9/9/1895 Palmer Parade North Adelaide
Can anyone help ?

I know he married Charlotte Walker 18/3/1863 at Weslyan Chapel Pirie Adelaide & they had 9 Children
I also have Charlotte's Family shipping details
Thank You Ellen

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Sep 2021 06:34

Online travel info doesn’t start til 1890 on ancestry

Have you found him on any Australian records that may indicate when he entered Australia

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Sep 2021 06:36

No way of knowing if this is him

From FMP website

Henry
Ship name Sir William Eyre
Last name Smith
Arrival port -
Birth year 1837
State Victoria
Age 20
Database Title Victoria Inward Passenger Lists 1839-1923
Arrival month Jul
Record set Australia, Inward, Outward & Coastal Passenger Lists 1826-1972
Arrival year 1857
Category Travel & migration
Departure port -
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Optional keywords -
Collections from Australasia, Australia
© Findmypast

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Sep 2021 06:44

Don’t know if you have actual details

Henry
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Last name Smith
Spouse's last name Walker
Marital status Not Recorded
Spouse's marital status Not recorded
Age 25
Spouse's age 22
Birth year 1838
Spouse's birth year 1841
Marriage year 1863
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Marriage date 18 Mar 1863
Spouse's father's last name Walker
Place Wesleyan Chapel Pirie St Adelaide
Registration number 53/320
District Adelaide
Record set South Australia Marriages 1842-1937
State South Australia
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country Australia
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Father's first name(s) William
Collections from Australasia
Father's last name Smith

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Sep 2021 06:45

Transcript of Henry's record
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First name(s) Henry
Place North Adelaide
Last name Smith
District Adelaide
Gender Male
State South Australia
Status Not recorded
Country Australia
Birth year 1837
Registration number 229/105
Death year 1895
Record set South Australia Deaths 1842-1972
Death date 09 Sep 1895
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Age at death 58y
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence North Adelaide
Collections from Australasia
© Genealogy SA, trading as the South Australian Genealogy & Heraldry Society Inc; www.genealogysa.org.au

Ellen

Ellen Report 2 Sep 2021 07:55

Thank you Shirley looks very promising,he was not in England for the 1861 census 1857 seems a possibliity

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2021 11:47

New thread started about Henry:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1396569

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 Sep 2021 11:48

Another thread started now..................................................

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1396569

Ellen

Ellen Report 8 Sep 2021 12:37

I have been asked to put these details on here as I have them on my inquiry for Henry's mothers name.

At Pirie Street Chapel, Adelaide, South Australia
South Australian Register Adelaide, SA. Thu. 19 Mar 1863 Pg. 2. MARRIAGES. SMITH-WALKER.-On the 18th March, ... , by the Rev. Spencer Williams, Mr. Henry Smith, of Adelaide, to Charlotte, youngest daughter of Mr. William Walker, Parade, Norwood.

The South Australian Register Tues 18 Feb 1873
PRELIMIARY NOTICE
Household Furniture,Harmonium, and Effects
Horse ,Wagonette,Newport Pagnall
Two Pure Alderney Cows, in Milk
Parade,Norwood near the Old Colonist
James H Parr has Received Instructions from Henry Smith (Who is visiting England) to sell,at his Residence Parade Norwood as Above
Full Particulars to be Advised
Also Three Allotments of Land situate in Charles Street and Benson Street Norwood

To the Registrar, Court of Insolvency.-Take notice that, by deed
dated the fourteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-seven, and made in pursuance of Part XI. of the Insolvent
Act, 1886, Henry Smith, of the Parade, Norwood, in the province of
South Australia, storekeeper, trading as H. Smith & Co., conveyed and
assigned all his real and personal estate to J ames Henry Fry, of Gilbertplace, Adelaide, in the said province, agent, the trustee, upon trust for

·384 THE SOUTH AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT GAZETTE. lFeb. 17,1887
To the Registrar, Court of Insolvency.-Take notice that, by deed
dated the fourteenth day of February, one thousand eight hundred
and eighty-seven, and made in pursuance of Part XI. of the Insolvent Act, 1886, Henry Smith, of the Parade, Norwood, in the province of South Australia, storekeeper, trading as H. Smith & Co., conveyed and assigned all his real and personal estate to J ames Henry Fry, of Gilbertplace, Adelaide, in the said province, agent, the trustee, upon trust for the benefit of the creditors of the said Henry Smith: And further take notice that such deed was duly executed as required by the said Act,and that the same lies for inspection and execution at the office of the undersigned, Commercial Chamber Gilbert-place, Adelaide. Dated this 14th day of February, l7. JAMES H. FRY, Trustee.Filed in the office of the Registrar of the Court of Insolvency this fifteenth day of February, 1887, at the hour of thirty minutes pastthree o'clock in the afternoon.
ROBERT BLUNT, Registrar


17 Feb 1887
THE SOUTH AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT GAZETTE. Pg. 333 - 334.
dated the 14 February, 1887 ... Henry Smith, of the Parade, Norwood, in the province of South Australia, storekeeper, trading as H. Smith & Co., conveyed and assigned all his real and personal estate to James Henry Fry, of Gilbert place, Adelaide ...

1895 Sands & McDougall Directory South Australia
North Adelaide, South Australia
Henry Smith, a Draper; Palmer Pl. - East Side. (Brougham Pl.)

9 Sep 1895
North Adelaide, South Australia 58yrs
South Australian Chronicle, Adelaide, SA. Sat. 14 Sep 1895. Pg. 4. SMITH.-On the 9th September, at his residence, Palmer-place, N.A., Henry Smith, late of Reigate, England, aged 58.

10 Sep 1895
North Road Anglican Cemetery, North Adelaide, South Australia
Plot ID: 3065/3066, Path 18. Henry Smith of Palmer Street. Burial No.: 2434. bu. 10 Sep 1895. Age: 58yrs.






ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Sep 2021 15:44

Unfortunately there are lots of Henry Smiths born c1837 in England (not to mention other parts of the UK) with father named William.

The fact that he was "late of Reigate, England" on his death notice on the other thread, isn't really any help.
He may not have been born anywhere near there, but only staying there in the 1870s, as indicated on the other thread, in the 1873 notice of the sale of his property.
"Henry Smith (Who is visiting England)"



You said he was born 22/5/1837 in Surrey.

Where did you find that information, please?

Ellen

Ellen Report 9 Sep 2021 02:28

It was given to me by a Ancestry researcher

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Sep 2021 09:50

Did that person offer any PROOF?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2021 10:44

This Henry Smith below was born 22/5 /1837 -

Henry Smith
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Henry Smith
Sex Male
Christening Date 18 Jun 1837
Christening Place Bermondsey, Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) St. Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Father's Name William Smith
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary Ann Smith
Mother's Sex Female

Address: Snowsfield. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The image is viewable in FS (near the bottom of page 26 of the range of records which are shown).
The DOB is on the image, although not transcribed.


This is the family in 1841:

Henery Smith
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Henery Smith
[Henry Smith]
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Snowsfield <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration District: Leather Market
Neighbors:
Piece: 1047
Book: 1
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 29
Mary Ann Smith 30
William Smith 7
Charles Smith 6
Henery Smith 4
Elizabeth Smith 2 Mo


And 1851;

Henry Smith
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Smith
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Willm Smith
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 55 Snowsfield <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Bermondsey
Sub-registration District: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 22
Piece: 1562
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Willm Smith 39
Mary Ann Smith 40
William Smith 16
Charles Smith 15
Henry Smith 13
Elizabeth Smith 10
Alfred Smith 8
Fredk Smith 6
Mary Ann Smith 10 Mo
Hannah Guddin 23


I don't see him definitely in 1861 - but that's not necessarily proof that he's the man who went to Australia, even though his father's name is William.

Ellen

Ellen Report 11 Sep 2021 01:31

Yes ArgyllGran that is the family on Ancestry William Smith & Mary Ann Prince, who I thought originally was my family but it isn't sorry to say

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Sep 2021 12:58

Well, in that case the DOB 22/5 /1837 is NOT that of the Henry who went to Australia - unless by huge coincidence.

It also means his birthplace is unknown.


ADDED:
How do you know that isn't the right family?

Apart from the fact that his father's name was William, there seems to be nothing online to give any clue to his origins.

Ellen

Ellen Report 22 Sep 2021 01:22

I made contact with a person who had William Smith & Mary Ann Prince on his tree,with a son Henry born abt 1837 & that Henry married & died in the UK

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2021 11:52

These seem to be the marriages some trees on Ancestry claim to be that Henry's:

Henry Smith
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Henry Smith
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 May 1861
Marriage Place: St James, Bermondsey, Southwark, England
Father: William Smith
Spouse: Amelia Jane Hughes
Register Type: Parish Register

Bachelor and spinster. His father is William, gentleman.
Henry's address: St Johns Horsleydown. [i.e. - Bermondsey ]



Henry Smith
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Henry Smith
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 46
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1837
Marriage Date: 30 Jul 1883
Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Father: William Smith
Spouse: Ann Blinman Child
Register Type: Parish Register

That Henry is a widower, and Ann is a widow.
Henry's a licensed victualler. Father William, deceased, gentleman.
Henry's address: Kennington Cross [i.e. - Lambeth ]


In the 1841 and 1851 censuses posted previously, William is a broker.

So, assuming the Henry of the two marriages is the same Henry as in 1841 and 1851, born 22/5 /1837, he's definitely not the man who went to Australia.