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Maddie Report 5 Sep 2021 12:33

in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: Charles Papworth
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Place: St Pancras, Middlesex
Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1894
Marriage Place: St Anne Westminster
Age: 41
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 1171
Regiment Name: 11th (Service) BTN.R.B
Form Title: Army Reserve (Special Reservists) Attestation
Number of Images: 9
Other Records: Search for 'Charles Papworth' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Charles Papworth Self (Head)
Ellen Jane Desher Spouse -------- fisher
Charles William Papworth Child
Alfred James Papworth Child
William Francis Papworth Child
Ellen Martha Papworth Child

next of kin
ellen jane fisher 21 harlison st grays inn road london

Regiment Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)
Last name Papworth
Unit / Battalion 11th (Service) Battalion
Birth year 1873
Series WO 364
Birth town St Pancras
Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims
Birth county Middlesex
Archive The National Archives
Birth country England
Record set British Army Service Records
Age 41
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Year 1914
Subcategory First World War
Service number 1171
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

what happened to annie


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 13:44


Charles married Ellen Jane in 1894, and she was his NOK in 1914, as shown in Maddie's post above.

BUT Charles was with Annie and the children in 1911 (already posted)

Ellen was in Camberwell Infirmary in 1911 (already posted) - listed as Fisher, but married.

Did he and Ellen separate and then reunite?

Or was Ellen his NOK just because she was his legal wife, and Annie wasn't?


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 13:59

The children on the 1911 census and army record all have mmn Eatwell, not Crace.

GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 59

GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 61

GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 39

GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 51

Another child, who died:

GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 50

Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
Papworth Martha M 0 Pancras 1b 89

and another:

GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 39

Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%)
PAPWORTH John Errol 0 Pancras 1b 19

And a third, who survived:

GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 93

In 1939 she's living with her half-sister Annie Frances Eatwell:

Emma Rosetta Popworth
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Emma Rosetta Popworth [Emma Rosetta Humphries]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1914
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
Occupation: Photographers Assistant
Line Number: 7
Schedule Number: 4
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: ASKS
Borough: St Pancras
Household Members Age
George Davey 37
Anne Frances Davey 43
Annie Elizabeth Davey 14
Emma Rosetta Popworth 25

Charles and Annie were clearly still together in late 1913 or early 1914., in spite of Ellen being his NOK in August 1914.

Annie Frances Papworth
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Annie Frances Papworth
Electoral Date: 1927
Street Address: 21 Harrison Street
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras
County or Borough: Camden, England

At same address - Charles William Papworth. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

That's the same address as for Ellen Jane in the army record.

Unfortunately the 1914 ER only lists heads of households, so only Charles is listed at 21 Harrison Street.


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 14:12

Other children, not named in 1914.

GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 639

Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
PAPWORTH Martha Lydia 0 Westminster 1a 325

GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 622

Helena Ann Papworth
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Helena Ann Papworth
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Apr 1895
Baptism Place: St Bartholomew, St Pancras, Camden, England
Father: Charles William Papworth
Mother: Ellen Jane Papworth
Register Type: Parish Register

Charles's occupation is wire worker.


Maddie Report 5 Sep 2021 14:20

have not been able to trace helena as not with he father in 1911
posted her bapt in 1898 born 1894 on page1 also gives mothers mmn but slightly different to ag's post


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 14:57


Annie F Papworth
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Annie F Papworth
Death Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1873
Registration Date: Apr 1929[May 1929] [Jun 1929]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 101

Annie Frances Papworth
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Annie Frances Papworth
Death Date: abt 1929
Burial or Cremation Date: 21 Jun 1929
Burial or Cremation Place: Camden, London, England

Already posted Annie Frances and Charles William together at 21 Harrison Street in 1927.
They were at that address in 1920 - 29.

Alfred James Papworth is with them in 1929.
He's presumably Annie's Eatwell son, born 1891 - birth already posted.


Maddie Report 5 Sep 2021 15:35

from deceased on line fee paying siite
Burial Register summary
last name
first names
Annie Frances
Burial date
21 June 1929


malyon Report 5 Sep 2021 15:38

culd this be helena ann

Name E A Papworth
Immigration Date 26 Jul 1902
Immigration Place New Zealand
Immigration Place (Original) Unknown, New Zealand
Departure Place London
Occupation asst steward
Arrival Port Unknown
Departure Port London
Ship Name Waiwera


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 18:32

No, not that travel record.

Helena could not possibly be an assistant steward (who would be male in any case) on a ship at the age of eight.


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 19:06

I expect Helena died in infancy, although there seems to be no record of it.

She may have been a sickly baby, as her parents seem to have been hedging their bets by having her baptised twice - C of E in 1895, and RC in 1898.

Can't see Charles or Ellen (or Annie for that matter) in 1901.


malyon Report 5 Sep 2021 22:25

the ellen jane fisher in 1911 census a patient in camberwell had been married 13 yrs had 2 children 1 living and 1 died so she is not the ellen jane fisher that married charles william papworth


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 22:32

Marriage of daughter Annie Frances Eatwell, with whom Emma Rosetta Papworth is living in 1939 (already posted):

But father Thomas?
Arthur died when she was a baby, so maybe she didn't know his name correctly.

Annie Frances Eatwell
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Annie Frances Eatwell
Marriage Age: 17 [ 27 on image ]
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1906
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1923
Marriage Place: St Pancras Parish Chapel, Camden, England
Father: Thomas Eatwell, deceased , printer <<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: George Davey

C W Papworth and Rose Nicholls

Annie Eatwell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Annie Eatwell
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Gender: Female
Birth Place: England [ LONDON on image]
Civil Parish: Coventry
Country: England
Street Address: Gues Melustus Scome Coventry [ Girls' Industrial Home]
Marital status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration District Number: 390
Sub-registration District: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Piece: 18579


ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2021 23:19

Re Ellen Jane Fisher in 1911 -

she may be Ellen Jane Reed, who married George Fisher in Woking (Guildford reg district) in Dec qr 1897

They're living in Woking in 1901.
They had a daughter Florence in 1901. Florence is living with an uncle and aunt in 1911.
They also had a daughter Jessie Maud in 1898, who died 1899 and is buried in Woking.


ArgyllGran Report 6 Sep 2021 13:19

After posting Charles's army record, Maddie asked "What happened to Annie?".

I think we should be asking "What happened to Ellen Jane?"

It seems to me that Charles was with Annie from 1905 onwards (the date of "marriage" stated in 1911 census), and remained with her until she died.

Ellen may have been named as NOK just because she was his legal wife - but at the address Charles shared with Annie.

The family seem to be missing from the 1901 census, so we can't see if Charles and Ellen were still together then or not.

In 1911 census, Charles and Annie's address is 29 Sidmouth Street.

Charles is on the 1912 ER at that address:

Charles Papworth
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Charles Papworth
Electoral Date: 1912
Street Address: 29 Sidmouth street
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras South
County or Borough: Camden, England

However, although that's his "Place of abode", there's also a column for "Description of Qualifying Property", which has 29 Sidmouth Street, 39 Harrison Street, and 11 Britannia Street.

In 1910 he (or at least someone named Charles Papworth) is at 33 Harrison Street.

In 1912, James Wing is at 11 Britannia Street.