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Jun 1929 Cooke Philomena Marylebone

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malyon

malyon Report 9 Jan 2022 18:21

could someone please look up 1939 reg mothers maiden name Neary i cant find a marriage for parents thank you

lostmeboardname

lostmeboardname Report 9 Jan 2022 18:29

cant find her on the 1939 sorry

Neary sounds like an Irish name, maybe they married in Ireland.
Only definite way to find parents is to buy the birth certificate.
Jan

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Jan 2022 18:36

Has she died - if not there won't be an open record on the 1939 Register

Maybe Mother's second marriage so Neary won't be the name the mother married under

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
Cooke Philomena C Neary Marylebone 1a 662

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1952 (>99%)
COOKE Philomena C SHEPPARD Paddington 5d 405
SHEPPARD Peter A COOKE Paddington 5d 405


Death not yet picked up on 1939

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Colchester, Essex, England

First name(s) Philomena Catherine
District number 4691B
Last name Sheppard
Register number B60C
Gender Female
Entry number 144
Birth day 13
Date of registration mm/yy 1295
Birth month 3
County Essex
Birth year 1929
Country England
Age -
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 4
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Registration Month 12
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1995
Collections from Great Britain, England
District Colchester






malyon

malyon Report 9 Jan 2022 19:04

thank you that was the correct birth for her in Marylebone 1929 she had a baby and had her adopted could she be reg on the mothers name neary

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jan 2022 19:19

She had three siblings - see freebmd

No sign of a Cooke family in Marylebone on 1939 register with 4 closed records

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Jan 2022 19:25

Marriage posted at 1836 - to SHEPPARD.

Cert. will give Father's name but birth cert. will give you both parents

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jan 2022 20:25

You say:
"thank you that was the correct birth for her in Marylebone 1929 she had a baby and had her adopted could she be reg on the mothers name neary"

Do you mean that Philomena had a baby?
Roughly when? Presumably before her marriage in 1952.

The baby's name would not be Neary, if that's what you mean. That's the baby's grandmother's name.

Unless I've miscounted, there were 8 Cooke/Cooke female births in London between 1944 and the time of Philomena's marriage

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jan 2022 20:56

Philomena's older sister:

COOKE, RITA BERNADETTE (mmn Neary, per FreeBMD)
GRO Reference: 1927 D Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 598


Marriages Mar 1951 (>99%)
COOKE Rita B POWELL W.Cheshire 10a 1614
POWELL Joseph E COOKE W.Cheshire 10a 1614




MS Rita Bernadette Powell
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019
Name: MS Rita Bernadette Powell
Gender: Female
Age: 79
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1927
Last Residence: Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Postal Code District: Sa71
Death Date: 18 Apr 2006


She's also on Electoral Rolls for Pembroke, with Joseph E , from 1960s onwards.
Joseph Edward Powell died 2002 Pembrokeshire.

malyon

malyon Report 9 Jan 2022 22:17

it was Philomena's parents was looking for but could not find a marriage dont know if her mother married later dont know her first name

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jan 2022 22:34

Buy Philomena’s birth cert to find the info

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Jan 2022 10:29

Name: Mr Desmond Cooke
Gender: Male
Age: 83
Birth Date: 1932
Last Residence: Bournemouth, Dorset, England
Postal Code District: Bh6
Death Date: 24 Jan 2015

From a tree on Ancestry

Father Edward Joseph Cooke
Mother Esther Neary
Birth 18 Sep 1931 London, London, England
Death 24 Jan 2015 Bournemouth, Hampshire, England

Death of father Edward Joseph Cooke(1893–1932)
1932 • DUBLIN, IRELAND

1941
10
Death of mother Esther Neary(1894–1941)

BUT.......there is NO death registered in London to backup the statement about the mother
Nor is there a death for the father in 1932 on Irish BMD


Marriage
29/10/1917 • Dublin, Ireland
Church of St. Francis of Myra, Diocese of Dublin
Esther Neary
(1894–1941)


Apparently, there were three children born in Ireland 1919,1921 and 1924.

The father was allegedly born in Bombay in 1893

You need to look at the Irish genealogy website

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Photo of the father on Ancestry - in Army uniform, which would explain how he came to be in Ireland

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Jan 2022 10:39

Suggestion ONLY

1911
Residents of a house 115 in Bride Street, New, Iveagh Trust Buildings. (Wood Quay (part of), Dublin)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Neary Joseph 56 Male Head of Family R Catholic Dublin City Plumber Unemployed Read and write - Married - 25 6 4
Neary Dora 54 Female Wife R Catholic Dublin City - Read and write - Married - 25 6 4
Neary Joseph 22 Male Son R C Dublin City Plumber Read and write - Single - - - -
Neary Esther 17 Female Daughter R C Dublin City Dressmaker Read and write - Single - - - -
Neary Laurence 13 Male Son R C Dublin City Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Neary Dora 11 Female Daughter R C Dublin City Scholar Read and write - Single


1901

Residents of a house 115 in Guinness Trust Buildings (Wood Quay, Dublin)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Neary Dora 1 Female Daughter R C Dublin - Cannot - Not Married -
Neary Esther 7 Female Daughter R C Dublin Scholar Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Neary Joseph 46 Male Head of Family R C Dublin Plumber Read and write - Married -
Naugle Eliza 83 Female Mother in Law R C Wicklow - Read and write Irish and English Widow -
Neary Joseph 12 Male Son R C Dublin Scholar Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Neary Laurence 3 Male Son R C Dublin - Cannot - Not Married -
Neary Dora 44 Female Wife R C Dublin - Read and write Irish and English Married

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Jan 2022 10:43

Esther's birth and marriage are on the Irish site

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 11:19

This fits with the above family:

Esther Cooke
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Esther Cooke
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 11 Feb 1894
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 38 Somerset Buildings
Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 43
Schedule Number: 98
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ASLN
Borough: St Pancras
Registration district: 9/2
Household Members Age
Esther Cooke 45
[Two closed records ]
Edward Cooke 15 - 22 Aug 1924

BUT -
there are no younger children listed - so possibly the tree owner has just latched on to the two parents' surnames and assumed the Marylebone children were of the same family.

Or else they had been evacuated somewhere and their deaths haven't been picked up to open their 1939 records.

Esther's at that address on the ERs for 1938 and 1939.

Also possible??

Mrs Esther Cooke
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Mrs Esther Cooke
Electoral Date: 1936
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Marylebone <<<<<<<<
County or Borough: Westminster, England

Address: 5 Gray's Yard.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 11:28

"Proof" offered of Esther's death in 1941 - at least on the tree I'm looking at - is apparently this death (in 1940):

Deaths Dec 1940 (>99%)
Cooke Esther 46 Pancras 1b 133

Location certainly fits with the 1939 census info.

Another tree says she died in 1940 and also gives that death record as proof.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 11:43

The tree claims that the son Edward died in Ladybank, Fife in 1990 - but there's no such death on ScotlandsPeople.

In fact there's no death of any Edward Cooke, born 1921-27, anywhere in Scotland from 1854 onwards.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jan 2022 12:01

Re the Esther Cooke on the ER posted above, at 5 Gray's Yard, Marylebone -

She's in Gray's Yard from 1927 to 1937.
In 1934 and earlier she's at 3 Grays' Yard, and there's an Edward Cooke with her - presumably her husband.

1935 onwards, she's on her own.

COOKE, EDWARD JOSEPH 41
GRO Reference: 1935 M Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 674

greyghost

greyghost Report 10 Jan 2022 13:20

From the image of that 1917 marriage -

Church - image says - St Nicholas Francis St (google says RC Church of St Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street, Dublin)
Both of full age, Bachelor and Spinster
Edward of 4 Werburgh Street a Soldier in the ?I Guards (so ? Irish Guards). Father Edward Cooke a Labourer
Esther - 0f 115 (?E) New Bride Street, d/o Joseph Neary a Plumber

Births on the site only go up to 1920 - not seeing a civil registration with mmn Neary 1917-1920


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Jan 2022 14:50

FMP version of 1939

38 Somerset Bridges, Euston, Camden, St Pancras, London, England
Esther Cooke 11 Feb 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 98 1
Maureen Cooke 14 Oct 1919 Female Sales Retail Grocery & Pr Single 98 2
Eileen Cooke 18 Mar 1921 Female Press Worker Manufacturer Single 98 3
Edward Cooke 22 Aug 1924 Male At School Single 98 4

No reference to married names for the two girls, although the tree on Ancestry records the following as being Eileen's husband

KENZIE, RAPHAEL GEORGE 1918
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2000 in LUDLOW (7121) Reg 16B Entry Number 135

Marriages Jun 1948 (>99%)
Kenzie Raphael G Cooke Wirral 10a 1666

KENZIE, EILEEN PATRICIA JOSEPHINE 1921
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2008 in SHROPSHIRE (7171A) Reg 1A004 Entry Number 118


Kenzie
Raphael George
1918
1921 Census Of England & Wales
Wirral, Cheshire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Jan 2022 15:25

Birth of brother Lawrence Cooke(1930–2018)
13 May 1930 • Marylebone, London
1931

Birth of brother Desmond Cooke(1931–2015)
18/09/1931 • London, London, England