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As the man was in a mental hospital in 1939, I would think it unlikely that he served after that, although it isn't impossible, of course.

Thank you for hospital information, it sounds awful Maddie, my mom said she'd met Charlie once when he came to visit his sister - moms mother-in-law- and he seemed such a nice gentle man but not really 'with it' , My dads cousin wrote telling me Charlie had really suffered through his time in the army (as she thought he was in the army) and after having electric shock treatment he " was never the same again". So very sad.

just for info hosp in 1939

The hospital became Chelsham Mental Hospital in 1923.[1] It was a pioneering centre for psychosurgery. Surgeon John Crumbie designed his own leucotome (instrument for cutting the white matter in the brain) which was constructed by Warlingham's assistant clerk of works, and referred to by Wylie McKissock, who operated with a Cushing brain needle, as a "mechanical egg-whisk".[3] If the patients resisted the surgery they were given electroconvulsive shocks before being anaesthetised.[4] It also had a specialist unit to treat patients suffering from alcohol and drug dependency.[2]

The facility went on to become Warlingham Park Hospital in 1937 and joined the National Health Service in 1948.[2] After the introduction of Care in the Community in 1983, the hospital went into a period of decline and eventually closed in 1999.[2]

The archives were deposited with the Bethlem Royal Hospital which subsequently became the primary provider of mental health care to residents of Croydon.[2] Although the Grade II listed water tower was retained,[5] the remainder of the buildings were demolished to make way for an up-market housing estate known as Greatpark.[6]

Oh RAF, thank you for this as I said I knew nothing other than being told he was probably in the army and was shell shocked - so thats interesting to find out - my fathers cousin has since passed away and there are no other relatives I can ask. Thank you

According to both the hospital record and his enlistment, Charles R was in the RAF -
signing-on on 10th January 1923, giving his DoB as 2/6/03 - actual DoB 2/6/04

Next of Kin was his MOTHER, 47 Auckland Terrace, Kingston on Thames.

yes she was down as widowed when she married Percy Wicks

I did think Martha and Harry were the husband and wife of the household but not sure why my gt gran would be listed as Wife - presumably because her husband was about somewhere and therefore she wasnt a widow, we were told Charles P 'disappeared' and Gt Gran did 'moonlight flits' so family never knew what happened to Charles P. I think I came across a death for a Charles around 1926 but I'm not sure and must admit I haven't checked that in the last couple of days that ive started researching family again. Both grandmothers in my family were Baker and not sure if the death for Charles that i found death was on paternal side or maternal side so Id have to re-check

Was Marie said to be a widow when she married Wicks?

So presumably - but not necessarily - Charles Philip was still alive in 1914-15.

BAKER, RAYMOND VERE mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 1282

Thank you ArgyllGran I understand all information can help with searches this is why I meant to delete. Sorry.
The other 2 children on the 1921 census are Daphne Baker aged 9 and Raymond Baker aged 5

So the statement on the daughter’s marriage cert is probably accurate.

Have you looked for a death?

Martha Davies is Harry’s wife, surely ;-) ;-)

I know Charlie Roeloff did suffer terribly from shell shock and an elderly cousin of my father told me he had electric shock therapy, and was very badly affected for the rest of his life apparently. I didnt know where he was a patient so thank you,

Martha Davies Head Female 1874 47 Aston Warwickshire Home Duties Harry Davies Husband Male 1867 54 Acton Shropshire Warehouseman Lunts Ltd Cyril Davies Son Male 1898 23 Aston Warwickshire Taylors & Son
Victor Davies Son Male 1905 16 Aston Warwickshire Toolmaker -out of work Iris Davies daughter female 1903 18 Aston Warwickshire Enamelware -out of work Marie Baker Wife female 1879 41 Wandsworth London Home Duties Ednah Baker daughter female 1902 18 Tulse Hill London General Clerk - Printers

The marriage to Percy Wicks - also for our reference, for location:

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
BAKER Marie Wicks Lymington 2b 1695
Wicks Percy Baker Lymington 2b 1695

The details I posted were for the helpers' reference.

It's easier to understand details and possible connections when we can see the actual records.

No sorry ErikaH I was replying to ArgyllGran and then meant to delete but pressed wrongly. Sorry for causing confusion. I know Marie married Charles and in 1929 married Percy Wicks but know nothing about a marriage to Harry Davies unless this was for respectability purposes I dont know!?!

Could you C&P please………easier if we can see the transcribed info

On the 1921 census Marie is living with Harry and Martha Davies Martha is listed as Head, Harry is listed as Husband and Marie is listed as wife

Which details? All of them?

I have those details but thank you, I found my grandmother mis transcribed on the 1921 census as Barker instead of Baker! :-)

In 1939, Charles R is a patient in Warlingham Park Mental Hospital, Surrey
DoB 2nd June 1904