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Hi all,

Is anyone free to search the 1939 census at all please?

I'm looking for my great grandmother Sarah Ann Shaw nee Challinor born 1884 West Derby, Liverpool (I believe she died in 1934, West Derby, Liverpool).
She married William Henry Shaw born between 1866 and 1876 (he seems to of liked changing his birth year on different records, perhaps because he was marrying someone younger) Salford, Lancashire. They married in 1909 West Derby, Liverpool. On marriage certificate he is listed as born as a widower. First possible wife was a Martha Woodier married 1893.

They had the following children Edith May 1902, Harriet 1904, William H 1906, Frederick John 1908, Edward 1911, Ann O 1913, Robert 1916, Thomas 1918, Harry 1921 (my grandad), Isabella 1922 and Arthur 1926.

If possible I would like to find my grandad Harry Shaw born 1921 and his father William Henry Shaw and siblings on the 1939 census too with a possible address, occupations etc.

Many thanks

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ALL 1921 records have to be PAID FOR separately, so conventional lookups are not an option

Thank you. I did not realise that for the 1921 records. I have now searched and PAID for the record.

frederick
1939
Name: Fredk J Shaw
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 28 Dec 1907
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 20
Residence Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Builder's Labourer
Line Number: 21
Schedule Number: 102
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Nird
Borough: Liverpool
Registration district: 455/6
Inferred Spouse:
Annie E Shaw
Inferred Children:
Fredrick J Shaw
Household Members Age
Fredk J Shaw 32
Annie E Shaw
25
Fredrick J Shaw
4

Name: Edward Shaw
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1911
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 65
Residence Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Steel Works Machinst & Driver
Line Number: 23
Schedule Number: 68
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Nhpb
Borough: Liverpool
Registration district: 453-5
Inferred Spouse:
Marion Shaw
Household Members Age
Edward Shaw 28
Marion Shaw
24
This record is officially closed.

This record is officially closed.

Robert
Regiment Royal Engineers
Last name Shaw
Country England
Enlistment year 1939
Record set British Army, Royal Engineers 1900-1949
Enlistment age 23
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Birth date 29 Oct 1915
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Birth year 1915
Collections from England, Great Britain
Regimental number 1882006

Are you posting both as Solar and Sunny - not that it matters as such.

Just to say that the 1939 register was not a Census. You can read what it's about here -
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

Thank you for those Maddie. Some new info there that I can use. My great grandfather William Henry Shaw is listed on the 1921 census as 49 years old so that puts birth year at 1872. The family address is 14 Mellor Street, Rose Vale, Everton, Lancs and it states he is a general labourer working at Messrs Whiteheads Auctioneers.
It always this guy that seems too cause the problems and mystery in my tree,

greyghost. my previous name was Sunny but I today changed it to Solar, since I haven't logged off this website since I'm not sure if it has updated it properly yet. Thank you for the link regarding the 1939 register.

Birth

SHAW, HARRIET CHALLONER
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 472

SHAW, FREDERICK JOHN CHALLINOR
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 472


So did they marry before 1909 ?

Hi Shirley, they married on 25th April 1909 but it appears they had children before this date. All seems odd to me and with him listed as a widower too I wonder if they had an affair before they were actually married.

This is the 1911 census for the family:

Edith Shaw
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edith Shaw
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Country: England
Street Address: 68 Buckingham St Everton Liverpool
Occupation: School
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration District: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Piece: 22488
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry Shane 40 [ SHAW on image ] - Manchester
Sarah Ann Shane 26 [ SHAW] - Liverpool
Harriett McGuinness 34 - sister-in-law, married, Liverpool
Edith Shaw 8
Harriett Shaw 6
William H Shaw 5
Frederick J Shaw 3
Edward Shaw 0

It says married for 10 years - but presumably they lied!


Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
CHALLINO_ Sarah Ann W.Derby 8b 452
SHAW William Henry W. Derby 8b 452

Maybe wasn’t free to marry

Marriages Jun 1909
CHALLINO_ Sarah Ann W.Derby 8b 452
SHAW William Henry W. Derby 8b 452

1911 census says married 10 years but must be a face saver

this gives his alled dob
Name: William Henry Shaw
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Birth Date: 1876
Marriage Date: 25 Apr 1909
Marriage Place: Christ Church-Great Homer Street, Everton, Lancashire, England
Father:
John Edward Shaw --- carver and gilder
Spouse:
Sarah Ann Challinor
FHL Film Number: 1546074
Reference ID: 2:2CV1941


Name: Sarah Ann Challinor
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1883

Name: Frederick J Shaw
Registration Date: Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Annie E Williams
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 657

??
William Henry Shaw
in the Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral)
Name: William Henry Shaw
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1866
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Edmond Shaw
Mother's Name: Ann Shaw
Archive Roll: 772


William Henry Shaw
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Henry Shaw
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1867
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Cathedral
Ecclesiastical parish: Cathedral
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 4045
Folio: 7
Page number: 7
Household Members Age Relationship
John Edward Shaw 31 Head
Ann Shaw 37 Wife
Richard Owen Shaw 10 Son
John Edward Shaw 6 Son
William Henry Shaw 4 Son
Charles Shaw 2 Son
Arthur Shaw 2/12 Son

Interesting that they stated they were married for 10 years in 1911 when it was only 2!

I think maybe he wasn't free to. He seems to like telling lies.

I can't find him anywhere after the 1921 census and on his son's marriage certificate in 1946 he is listed as deceased.

His youngest son was Arthur Shaw born 1926 so I wonder if he is listed as still living with his father in 1939?

John Edward Shaw
in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name: John Edward Shaw
Birth Year: abt 1838
Marriage Date: 18 Jul 1860
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Shaw
Spouse's Name: Ann Owen
Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Owen
Archive Roll: 728


Therefore, William Henry's birth:

SHAW, WILLIAM HENRY mmn OWEN
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 228

Harriet Shaw
Registration Date: Jan 1931
[Feb 1931]
[Mar 1931]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: William Guther
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 616



Name: Harriet Guther
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 28 May 1904
Registration Date: Oct 1976
[Nov 1976]
[Dec 1976]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Liverpool
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 36
Page: 1497



Harriet Guther
Age: 72
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1904
Death Date: abt 1976
Burial Date: 18 Nov 1976
Burial Place: Merseyside, England
Cemetery: Toxteth Park Cemetery
Cemetery Section: Non-Conformist

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: John Shaw
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ann Shaw
Gender: Male
Where Born: Mossley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Cromwell St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Carver & Gilder
Registration District: Salford
Sub registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 83
Neighbors:
Piece: 3976
Folio: 95
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shaw 41
Ann Shaw 45
Richard Shaw 19
John E. Shaw 16
William H. Shaw 15
Charles Shaw 11

Name: William H. Shaw
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John Shaw
Mother: Ann Shaw
Gender: Male
Where Born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Cromwell St
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar Student
Registration District: Salford
Sub registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 83
Neighbors:
Piece: 3976
Folio: 95
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Shaw 41
Ann Shaw 45
Richard Shaw 19
John E. Shaw 16
William H. Shaw 15
Charles Shaw 11

Argyll Gran. The parents you list is who I think too. On William Henry's marriage certificate to Sarah Ann Challinor his father is listed as John Edward Shaw - Carver and Guilder.

William H
Country England
Last name Shaw
Volume 8D
Birth quarter 3
Page 228
Birth year 1866
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Owen
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Manchester
Subcategory Civil Births
County Lancashire

Name: John Edward Shaw
Birth Year: abt 1838
Marriage Date: 18 Jul 1860
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Shaw
Spouse's Name: Ann Owen
Spouse's Father's Name: Richard Owen
Archive Roll: 728