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Jean

Jean Report 23 Apr 2022 16:55

Thank you I will tell him you have all been helpful.

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 24 Apr 2022 07:44

I wonder if the following article in the Sunderland Daily Echo, 1 Sep 1934 has any relevance?

Horden Bridegroom

Miss Catherine Scott, third daughter of Mr John Scott and the late Mrs Scott, of 5 Victoria Street, Hartlepool, was married at The Lady Star of the Sea, Horden Colliery to Mr Laurence Yore, the son of Mr Peter Yore and the late Mrs Yore, of Fourth Street, Horden.
The Rev Father Watson officiated, and the bride was given away by her brother-in-law, Mr Herbert B Mallinson, of Hartlepool. The bridesmaids were Miss Mary Dobson, of West Hartlepool and Miss Grace Mallinson (niece of the bride), MRS MARY AITKENHEAD (sister of the bride) was maid-of-houour. Mr John Yore (nephew of the groom) acted as best man.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 08:55

Interesting, LondonBelle!

Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%)
Scott Catherine Yore Easington 10a 1153
Yore Lawrence Scott Easington 10a 1153


Ancestry's strange transcription:

Lawrence Yorath
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Lawrence Yorath
Registration Date: Jul 1934[Aug 1934] [Sep 1934]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Easington
Inferred County: Durham
Spouse: Scanes
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1153


They've mixed up three lines on the Index - there's an Idiris Yorath, followed by a Catherine Yore who married a Scanes in Willesden, and then Lawrence Yore marrying Scott in Easington.


However, if searching for Catherine's marriage, they've transcribed that correctly:

Catherine Scott
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Catherine Scott
Registration Date: Jul 1934[Aug 1934] [Sep 1934]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Easington
Inferred County: Durham
Spouse: Yore
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1153


Can't see them in 1939, though.

Jean

Jean Report 24 Apr 2022 09:07

Thank you I will check this article out. Many thanks.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 09:08

Unfortunately, John Scott isn't at 5 Victoria Street in 1939.

Joseph T Watson and a closed record are at that address.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 09:27

????

Lawrence Yore
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Lawrence Yore
Age in 1911: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Newherrington, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Shotton
Country: England
Street Address: 16 South Terrace, Horden
Registration District Number: 552
Sub-registration District: Wingate
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 30009
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Yore 47
Elizabeth Yore 45
Thomas Yore 26
John Yore 24
Peter Yore 23
Micheal Yore 21
Elizabethann Yore 19
Mary Alice Yore 18
Estherellen Yore 15
Owen Yore 14
Francesina Yore 11
Lawrence Yore 9
Nora Yore 8
Agnes Yore 6
Winefride Yore 3


SCOTT, CATHERINE mmn HALL
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 175



Catherine Scott
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Catherine Scott
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hartlepool
Country: England
Street Address: Hartlepool Chapman St NC
Registration District Number: 545
Sub-registration District: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Piece: 29649
Household Members:
Name Age
John Scott 41
Grace Scott 39
Cecilia Scott 13
Margaret Scott 11
Francis Scott 7
William Scott 5
Catherine Scott 4
James Scott 8/12
Grace Scott 2


???

SCOTT, MARY mmn HALL
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 252


In 1921 Mary is in Hartlepool with John, Grace Ann, and 6 others.

Catherine Yore 1907 died in West Hartlepool in 1957.

Jean

Jean Report 24 Apr 2022 09:53

Thank you I will check this article out. Many thanks.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2022 11:08

Regarding the suggested 1946 marriage - that woman should be on 1939 as Price(Aitkenhead), but if she is, I can’t find any trace

Jean

Jean Report 24 Apr 2022 11:12

This Scott fam have been a mystery to find. All of you on here have been so kind in looking for her. A big thank you much appreciated to all concerned.

Jean

Jean Report 24 Apr 2022 11:12

This Scott fam have been a mystery to find. All of you on here have been so kind in looking for her. A big thank you much appreciated to all concerned.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 11:59

Grace Mallinson, the niece who was a bridesmaid, was a daughter of Cecilia Scott, sister of Catherine and Mary - so that's the right Scott family above..

Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
Hall Cecilia Mallinson Hartlepool 10a 290
Mallinson Herbert B Hall Hartlepool 10a 290
Mallinson Herbert B Scott Hartlepool 10a 290
Scott Cecilia Mallinson Hartlepool 10a 290

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 12:17

Catherine and Laurence, mistranscribed, in 1939 - AND MARY AITKENHEAD:

Catherine Fone
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Catherine Fone
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 20 Jan 1907
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 20 North Road
Residence Place: Ripon, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation: Housewife
Line Number: 40
Schedule Number: 80
Sub Schedule Number: 7
Enumeration District: Koga
Borough: Ripon
Registration district: 487/2
Inferred Spouse:
Laurence Fone
Household Members Age
George Turner 35
Margaret Turner 28
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Hazel Turner 1
Laurence Fone 38
Catherine Fone 32
May A??the?? 38 , widowed <<<<< Aitkenhead (Price) on image
John Storrar 58
Martha M Storrar 63



Mary's DOB is given as 7 July 1901 - 10 years before the 1911 birth posted earlier, but month would fit. I suspect the year is a mistake.

She's a canteen counter assistant.
No children or closed records with her.



The Turners are George Turner and Margaret Williams, married 1933 Easington. Hazel born Durham 1938.
George & Margaret had 4 children before 1939, one of whom died in infancy (George 1936), so that accounts for the closed records.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 12:23

The only Mary Scott born 1901 in the right area is this illegitimate one:

SCOTT, MARY -
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 182

A tree on Ancestry says her mother was a Bridget Scott, daughter of Patrick Scott and Bridget Weir.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2022 12:25

FMP version of 1939 - they have totally ignored the woman's name at the time - sheer laziness on the part of the transcriber. I will submit the necessary correction

20 North Road, Ripon, Ripon M.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
George Turner 11 May 1904 Male Cook Married 80 1
Margaret (E H) Brumler (Turner) 04 Nov 1911 Female Domestic Duties Married 80 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Hazel Alderson (Turner) 10 Aug 1938 Female Under School Age Single 80 5
Laurence Fone 13 Jul 1901 Male Joiner Married 80 6
Catherine Fone 20 Jan 1907 Female Domestic Duties Married 80 7
Mary Price 07 Jul 1901 Female Canteen County Assistant Widowed 80 8
John Storran 30 Jan 1881 Male Civil Engineer Married 80 9
Martha M Storran 03 Jun 1876 Female Domestic Duties Married 80 10

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2022 12:35

1921

5 Northgate, Hartlepool, Durham, England

John Scott Head Male 1870 51 Hartlepool, Durham, England Dock Labourer Brown Stevedore
Grace Ann Scott Wife Female 1881 40 Hartlepool, Durham, England - -
Francis Scott Daughter Male 1903 17 Hartlepool, Durham, England Miner (Putter) Blackhall Colliery Co
William Scott Son Male 1905 16 Hartlepool, Durham, England Miner (Driver) Blackhall Colliery Co
Catherine Scott Daughter Female 1907 14 Hartlepool, Durham, England - -
Grace Ann Scott Daughter Female 1908 12 Hartlepool, Durham, England - -
James Scott Son Male 1910 10 Hartlepool, Durham, England - -
Joseph Scott Son Male 1912 8 Hartlepool, Durham, England - -
Mary Scott Daughter Female 1912 8 Hartlepool, Durham, England - -

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 12:36

John Scott and Grace Ann Hall didn't marry until late 1902, so the daughters Cecilia and Margaret were illegitimate:

HALL, CECILIA -
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 174

HALL, MARGARET -
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 155


There's no illegitimate birth of a Mary Hall - so the 1901 date given in 1939 is wrong, and should be 1911.

Jean

Jean Report 24 Apr 2022 12:38

Thank you I will pass this information on to my brotherinlaw.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2022 13:10

Mary was a twin - as also indicated in 1921 census.

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
SCOTT Joseph Hall Hartlepool 10a 252
SCOTT Mary Hall Hartlepool 10a 252


More siblings?? All died soon after birth.

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
SCOTT Robert Hall Hartlepool 10a 325 [ Died 1914 Hartlepool ]

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
SCOTT Eileen Hall Hartlepool 10a 320 [Died 1915 Hartlepool
SCOTT Winifred Hall Hartlepool 10a 320 [ Died 1915 Hartlepool ]

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2022 13:27

Mary was 8years 11months on 1921 census - fits with July birth date
Date of census was 19th June

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2022 13:45

George jnr and his wife had five children - see freebmd for details.

All births registered in W Hartlepool................but the family had moved by the time the children were marrying

The youngest married a man with a distinctive surname, and can easily be found on the ER to 2018