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Rambling Report 26 Mar 2024 17:34

Thanks ArgyllGran I think it does.

Erika that's very true!

Just looking at possible deaths for John, and will risk a cert or two. Such a bonus that the GRO death index now gives ages so at least you can eliminate some and that they are now cheaper.


ArgyllGran Report 26 Mar 2024 17:52

Doesn't help with your search - but posting in case you don't have it.

Marriage of the son John:

John McDonald
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name John McDonald [ clerk at docks ]
Gender Male
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 31 May 1851
Marriage Place Holy Trinity, Mile End Old Town: Morgan Street, Tower Hamlets, England
John McDonald [tailor ]
Lydia Shepherd
Register Type Parish Register

Groom's address: 17 Coborn Road

Witnesses: John Middleton and Mary Ann [surname unreadable - Anis ??? ]

John, Lydia and their children are on 1861 and 1871 censuses.
Lydia died 1880.
John remarried quickly, on May 15th 1880, to Elizabeth Ann Anspach.
John's father stated as John McDonald, tailor. It doesn't say if he's deceased.
John, Elizabeth, and John's son Henry, are on 1881 census.
Elizabeth is a widow by 1901.


Rambling Report 26 Mar 2024 18:03

Thanks ArgyllGran.

I think I've established the likely death for the right John McDonald, if he is the one in Brompton cemetery records ( daugter Ann buried there) died 1862 address given as the Royal Hosp' which ties in with the 1841 for age and being a pensioner . I think I'll buy that cert and see if there is anything that helps on it.


ErikaH Report 27 Mar 2024 11:51

1861 for the chap whose 1851 I posted a while ago......and whose death I would think is likely to be the one in 1862

First name(s) John
County London, Middlesex
Last name Mc Donald
Country England
Relationship Private
Registration district Chelsea
Marital status Married
Sub district 1 Chelsea South
Sex Male
Enumeration district -
Age 80
Ecclesiastical parish or district St Luke
Birth year 1781
Archive reference RG09
Birth place other Ireland
Piece number 32
Birth place other as transcribed IRELAND
Folio 143
Occupation Chelsea pensioner
Page 10
Institution name The Royal Hospital Chelsea For Invalid Soldiers From The Regular Army
Schedule 20
Institution location Chelsea
Record set 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Full address St Luke Chelsea, Chelsea, London & Middlesex, England
Parish St Luke Chelsea

GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in ST LUKE CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 124


ArgyllGran Report 27 Mar 2024 11:57

And therefore that man is probably the father of Elizabeth and Henrietta, as they were baptised in Chelsea, and their father was a pensioner.

But it's confusing, as you know!
The 1841 death of Janet of White Hart Court is in Chelsea, with informant Elizabeth - but her husband John is a weaver.


ErikaH Report 27 Mar 2024 12:45

The two census records declare him to be Married,,,,,,,,,,,,,


ErikaH Report 27 Mar 2024 13:20

1851 census for Elizabeth (Bridge) shows her birth to have been c1827 in Chelsea

A bit ‘out’ when looking at the baptism - unless that one died, and a later child was born

GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 201
Died at The Britannia Public House where she was the landlady

Buried in Brompton cemetery


ErikaH Report 27 Mar 2024 13:30

The John McDonald buried in Brompton Cemetery is in a common grave, buried 10th January and aged 73, so probably not the man on the 1851 and 1861 censuses

However, I can't see a death registration for anyone of the name aged 73 in JFM 1862, so the age on the burial record may be an error.


First name(s) John
Document type Burials
Last name McDonald
Burial number(s) 29093
Birth year 1789
Burial register number 29093
Death year -
Piece description Brompton Cemetery burial register no. 23, references 28157-29668
Burial year 1862
Records year range 1861-1862
Burial date 10 Jan 1862
Archive reference WORK 97/90
Year 1862
Record set Middlesex, Brompton Cemetery Records
Place Brompton
Archive The National Archives
Age 73
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Residence Royal Hospital, Chelsea
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
County Middlesex
Collections from England, Great Britain


Rambling Report 27 Mar 2024 13:46

Just to recap a bit several years ago I found a marriage for an Ann McD (sister to Henrietta??) to Thomas Fansey in 1835 and a child who died 1836, but I couldn't find any further trace in that name.

However ( there always a however lol) finding the name Enniss has led me back to searching and Thomas Enniss is "Alias Thomas Fansey" on Navy allotment declarations, wife Ann Ennis, same address as the 1851 (Morbys Yard) and on.

Getting there, I hope, or maybe not :-S


ErikaH Report 27 Mar 2024 15:23

Having a rummage on SP

JANET GUNN/FR4877 (FR4877)
685 / 3
180 / 230

10 / 146

685 / 3
180 / 77

644 / 1
280 / 119


Rambling Report 27 Mar 2024 16:02

Could be any one of them Erika. :-)


ErikaH Report 27 Mar 2024 16:14

Or none. ;-) ;-)


Rambling Report 27 Mar 2024 16:41

Quite so Erika :-)


Rambling Report 27 Mar 2024 16:45

Another poser, if Ann is the correct one, bn 1819 baptised 1820, then why would the parents have waited till 1822 to baptise Henrietta ?


ArgyllGran Report 27 Mar 2024 16:46

Not helped by the fact that John MacDonald is one of the most common names.

When I worked in the records dept of a Scottish hospital, we had more casenotes for patients named John MacDonald/McDonald than for any other name.


Rambling Report 27 Mar 2024 16:49

ArgyllGran I can believe that. :-)