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George Prophett death 1859

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Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 09:51

I am trying to find out when this George Prophett was born.
He died
1859 OND Q4
Pg 193
line 17
Nantwich, Cheshire

This isnt the correct this one is age 4!

On Free BMD and on here it only gives his death and doesn't show his birth or his age.
I want to know so I can prove this is the correct person I'm looking at.

Apart from ordering the death cert, can anyone else maybe look at a different site to confirm for me please?


Florence in the hebrides


ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 10:18

Look at the GRO site yourself…it’s FREE - and gives age at death


Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 10:20

Oh ty ErikaH, I didn't actually know that.


Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 10:50

Ok so I have found the death actually on here, after ruling out several using the GRO
and the spelling changes didnt help!
But it comes up with Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish burials so how to do I find the GRO ref number so I can either download or order a death cert.?

d 1859 ( age 37)
b 1822


nameslessone Report 18 Apr 2024 11:10

It is on Freebmd.

Rather than putting the surname just put Pro*. It looks as though there are two spellings in Nantwich.


Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 11:32

No they are not the correct ones as checked with GRO and the ages dont match.

When I search on here using Prophet note with 1 T not 2, it comes up with the details but its on the Cheshire Parish of registers and doesn't give the usual find with GRO ref numbers.

I tried BMD with various spellings and this death doesn't come up.
If it shows on a Parish register then it must be reg with the GRO surely? I tried searching but without info except Dod and Dob it doesn't find anything.

It has to be somewhere!


Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 11:34

Forgot to say, on Family, I also found the death and he is buried in Christ Church Macclesfield, Cheshire but it doesn't give any reference numbers.
Date given as 3 Sep 1859


ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 11:34

The 1859 Nantwich death which comes up on FreeBMD (both spellings) is the 4-year-old whom Florence says is the wrong person.

Florence -

is this the 37-year-old's death, on GRO? Not in Nantwich :

GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in MACCLESFIELD Volume 08A Page 72

and on FreeBMD:

Deaths Sep 1859 (>99%)
Profit George Macclesfield 8a 72


ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 11:42

Born approx 1822, there may be no record of his baptism.

This is the only Cheshire baptism of someone of that name that I can find - not in either Nantwich or Macclesfield - but of course, he may not even have been born in Cheshire;

George Prophet
in the Cheshire, England, Select Bishop's Transcripts, 1576-1933
Name George Prophet
Gender Male
Baptism Date 31 Dec 1820
Baptism Place Haslington, Cheshire, England
Father John Prophet
Mother Anne
FHL Film Number 1655829

Did he marry?
Have you found him on 1851 census?


ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 11:46

This is the only George Pro*t of about the right age I can find in Cheshire in 1851:

This is presumably the one whose baptism is posted above - but may not be the man you're looking for:

George Propheter
in the 1851 England Census
Name George Propheter [Prophett] [Prophet]
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1821
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Emma Propheter
Gender Male
Where born Haslington, Cheshire, England
Civil parish Haslington
County/Island Cheshire
Country England
Registration district Nantwich
Sub-registration district Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel 4a
Household schedule number 15
Piece 2169
Folio 183
Page number 5
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Propheter 30 Head
Emma Propheter 29 Wife
John Propheter 4 Son
William Propheter 3 Son
Alice Propheter 1 Mo Daughter
John Salmon 17 Nephew
John Kesheth 11

GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 159

GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 165

GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 198


ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 11:47

WHO are you trying to trace?
What do you know about him?
What census records do you have for him?

Burials, by definition, are not civil records, and therefore do not have civil reference numbers

When searching for names which can easily be misinterpreted, use the 'phonetic search ' option


Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 11:54

Thankyou ArgyllGran, I have found it and ordered the cert.

Even though I searched using other spellings, it didnt bring it up spelt as Profit!! Its a nighmare with all the variations.

He was married to Mary Ann Lamminan in 1841 but he died young. She remarried a few years later. The family of Prophets belong to my late grandmother. He wasnt showing on the 1851 census and shows his wife as the head???? So I needed to prove that he was still alive then as his last child was born in 1859.

I'm hoping the cert will give the address and name of the informant .

Once I get the cert, I shall come back and tell you what it revealed.

Ty for everyones help

Florence in the hebrides


ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 11:56

Marriage of the man in the 1851 census above - THEREFORE HE IS NOT RIGHT MAN - if I'm understanding you last post correctly :

George Prophet
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name George Prophet
Registration Year 1846 [1846]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Nantwich
Inferred County Cheshire
Volume 19
Page 135
Records on Page (Name)
George Prophet
Emma Woolrich


ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 12:02

Mary Ann Lammaman
BIRTH ABT 1819 • Boston, Lincolnshire, England

15 Feb 1841 • St Mary's Sandbach, Cheshire, England
GP, 24 bach, boatman of Betetton s of George P, lab and MAL, spinster, 20 of Betchton dau of John L, lab both signed Wits James Prophett and Sarah Foxleys both signed with an X

George Prophet

Note his occupation, for cross-referencing with death cert


ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 12:06

Name George Prophet
Gender Male
Baptism Date 28 Apr 1816
Baptism Place Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Father George Prophet
Mother Elizabeth Prophet
FHL Film Number 973139
Reference ID item 7 p 9



Florence61 Report 18 Apr 2024 12:08

No that is not the correct marriage.
The spelling of his name changes from birth to death to census. They obviously spelt his name as it was pronounced!

My George married in 1841 to Mary Ann lamminan
In your post at 11.34 that is the correct death, i'm 99% positive. I shall wait for the cert with interest.


ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 12:08

The marriage you mention for your George - for our reference:

Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%)
Lammiman Mary Ann Gongleton 19 76
LAMMIMAN Mary Anne Gongleton 19 76
PROPHETT George Congleton 19 76

Birth of the 1859 child:

GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in MACCLESFIELD Volume 08A Page 141


ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 12:09

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dobbs Yard, Orchard Street, St Nicholas, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Mary Ann Prophet Head Married Female 27 1824 - Wotton, Lincolnshire, England
Jane Prophet Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Cheshire, England
Elizabeth Prophet Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Cheshire, England
Harriett Prophet Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Cheshire, England
John Prophet Son - Male 0 1851 - Cheshire, England
Betty Prophet Mother Widow Female 74 1777 Wid Cheshire, England


ArgyllGran Report 18 Apr 2024 12:11

Young William in 1861, again for our reference:

William Prophet
in the 1861 England Census
Name William Prophet
Gender Male
Age 2
Relation Stepson (Step Son)
Estimated Birth Year 1859
Mother's Name Mary Ann Downie
Where born Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Civil parish Heaton Norris
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Stockport
Sub-registration district Heaton Norris
ED, institution, or vessel 12
Household schedule number 249
Piece 2561
Folio 103
Page number 43
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Downie 33 Head
Mary Ann Downie 34 Wife
Jane Prophet 17 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Harriet Prophet 12 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
John Prophet 10 Stepson (Step Son)
Mary Ann Prophet 8 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Emma Prophet 6 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Fanney Prophet 4 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
William Prophet 2 Stepson (Step Son)


ErikaH Report 18 Apr 2024 12:12

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Monument Place, Heaton Norris, Stockport, Cheshire & Lancashire, England
John Downie Head Married Male 33 1828 Stone mason Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Downie Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Barton, Lincolnshire, England
Jane Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Cap winder cotton mill Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Harriet Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Cap winder cotton mill Sandbach, Cheshire, England
John Prophet Stepson Unmarried Male 10 1851 Scholar Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Mary Ann Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 Scholar Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Emma Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Fanny Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
William Prophet Stepson Unmarried Male 2 1859 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England