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Florence61

Florence61 Report 8 May 2024 17:10

William G Haggerty b 1878 Kent d 1922
m 1898?
Clara E Appleton
b 1878 Kent

In the 1911 census, Clara is with her parents George & Alice Appleton.
Clara has 2 children
Alice E Haggerty b1899 Dover
Minnie Ada E haggerty b 1901 Woolwich

It shows on the household that Clara is married and gives the year as 1898 but for the life of me I cannot find that marriage. I looked on Genes, Family.search free BMD.

William was a Soldier Gunner Ryl Artillery. on the 1901 census

I tried various spellings of Haggerty/Haggarty/Hagerty/Hagartay but cannot find the marriage.

Anyone able to try and find the marriage for me please

Just for info he was 1 of 5 children. First 3 were born in Gibraltar as his parents were there for 5 years, William and Emily were both born in Kent. But his parents were also born in uk.
James Haggerty b 1849 london
Elizabeth Sexton b 1845 d 1915

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2024 18:29

Perhaps they didn't marry? Maybe they had only been together since 1898, and said they were married for respectability.


Posting 1901 for our reference:

Clara E Haggerty
in the 1901 England Census
Name Clara E Haggerty
Age 23
Estimated Birth Year abt 1878
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Spouse William G Haggerty
Birth Place Erith, Kent, England
Civil parish Woolwich
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Ecclesiastical parish St Michael and All Angels
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district Woolwich
Sub-registration district Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel 22
Neighbors
Piece 567
Folio 89
Page number 21
Household schedule number 151
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William G Haggerty 23 Head
Clara E Haggerty 23 Wife
Alice E Haggerty 2 Daughter
Minnie Ada Haggerty 1/12 Daughter

HAGGERTAY, ALICE ELIZA mmn APPLETON
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in DOVER Volume 02A Page 1043

HAGGERTY, MINNIE ADA ELIZABETH mmn APPLETON
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1242


William is also recorded at the Royal Artillery Barracks in 1901:

William George Haggarty
in the 1901 England Census
Name William George Haggarty
Age 23
Estimated Birth Year abt 1878
Relation to Head Son [most of the many soldiers are listed as "son" - wrong! ]
Gender Male
Father Charles Milne [NO! mistranscription ]
Birth Place Camberley, Surrey, England
Civil parish Woolwich
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Ecclesiastical parish St Mary
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district Woolwich
Sub-registration district Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel Royal Artillery Barracks, Green Hill Schools, Repository, Gun Park and Observatory
Neighbors
Piece 569
Folio 132
Page number 40
Household schedule number 1

William and Clara appear to have separated.
In 1911 he's with another "wife" Rosina Frances (formerly Evans; nee Marlow), whom he didn't marry until 1914 - and a "daughter" Lilian.
He's claiming to have been married for 10 years, which isn't true .

William George Haggarty
in the 1911 England Census
Name William George Haggarty
Age in 1911 33
Estimated Birth Year abt 1878
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Cam
Civil parish Plumstead
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address 189 Sandy Hill Road, Plumstead, Woolwich
Marital Status Married
Occupation Officers Servant
Registration District Number 30
Sub-registration district Plumstead West
ED, institution, or vessel 04
Piece 2886
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William George Haggarty 33 Head
Roseina Francis Haggarty 33 Wife
Lillian Haggarty 9 Daughter - Woolwich


Lilian is Rosina's daughter from her first marriage.

EVANS, LILIAN ROSINA mmn MARLOW
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1343


Rosina married again in 1927, to William Balch.


Confusingly, Rosina's first marriage was in 1898:

Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
Evans Thomas Woolwich 1d 2146
Marlow Rosina Frances Woolwich 1d 2146


But I don't see any marriage for Clara and William.

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 18:51

Does the Census identify which Battalion he was serving?
It would make it easier to try to find his service record (which may include marriage details) in the National Archives website

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 May 2024 18:51

The 1901 military census record for William clearly records him as SINGLE

He would have required Army permission to marry

Florence61

Florence61 Report 8 May 2024 18:56

Gosh what a muddle! Ty for finding all that.

At the barracks in 1901 it says his father is Charles Milne???That has confused me!

So he was a bit of a "toe rag", leaving Clara, marrying someone else and was he actually married in the first place?

Thankyou AG for your assistance

Florence in the hebrides

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 18:58

Your "Toe Rag" ???

British Army Service Records
Camberly, Surrey, England

First name(s) William
Attestation corps Royal Artillery
Last name Haggerty
Discharge corps Royal Artillery
Birth year 1878
Document type Attestation
Birth parish Camberly
Archive reference WO 97
Birth county Surrey
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Birth country England
Box 5014
Service number 88934
Box record number 121
Regiment Royal Artillery
Archive The National Archives
Year 1892
Country England
Attestation date 15 Feb 1892
Record set British Army Service Records
Attestation age years 14
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation age months 5
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Attestation service number 88934
Collections from Great Britain, England

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 19:07

NOK for above reads "James" , 56 Ordnance Place, Chatham

Florence61

Florence61 Report 8 May 2024 19:11

Williams father was James.

Does that mean he joined the army at 14 years old?

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 19:13

Served 15 Feb 92 until 14 Feb 1904

No Abroad Service

GSW left finger (illeg) accident not on duty

Re-signed 21 April 1904 until 20 April 1908

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2024 19:14

The mention of Charles Milne in 1901 is a mistranscription.

For some reason, the enumerator has listed most of the many soldiers, including Charles Milne, (aged 24, born Scotland) as "son".

Goodness knows why the transcriber picked on Charles Milne as the "father" of William .

Florence61

Florence61 Report 8 May 2024 19:21

Jink20 ty for that info.

AG ty for the clarification

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 19:28

Only problem ......
Attestation paper reads William was born Camberley, Surrey ( fib??) attested in Shoebury, Essex

Your chap was born Kent

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 May 2024 19:42

1901 (with Clara), 1901 at Barracks, and 1911, all say William was born in Camberley.

His birth:

HAGGERTAY, WILLIAM GEORGE mmn RULE
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 93

Farnham reg district would have included Camberley.
There's no William G Heggarty (or other spelling) born in Kent, 1870-80.

ADDED:
1891 and 1881 say Sandhurst.
Sandhurst is about 2.5 miles from Camberley.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 May 2024 20:11

OP says born Kent, which is obviously just an error by the poster

And, as I posted at 18:51, the Army recorded him as single in 1901

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 21:01

Re-enlisted ???????

Medal card of Haggerty, William George
Reference: WO 372/8/192811
Description: Medal card of Haggerty, William George
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Army Medical Corps 87522 Private
Date: 1914-1920
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Enlisted 24/10/ 1916
Discharged 11/09/1918

Jink20

Jink20 Report 8 May 2024 21:12

In case you weren't aware- no image

Name William George Haggerty
Birth Date 1878
Death Date 31 May 1922
Cemetery Grange Road Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Gillingham, Medway Unitary Authority, Kent, England
Has Bio? N
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/225508642/william-george-haggerty

Florence61

Florence61 Report 8 May 2024 22:32

But in 1901 census he is with his wife Clara and the 2 children so although it says wife, he must have lied but she gives her name as Clara Haggerty???

The reason I put Kent was because it put London, Kent but also Plumstead, london ,Kent. I personally wouldn't put London in Kent, it wasn't when I lived in Kent!

He chopped and changed his mind like the weather! But in the end he was buried in Kent,

Ty for all the info, nothing more to add now

Florence in the hebrides

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 May 2024 09:33

Re 1901 -
yes, Clara would have used William's surname for respectability.
They were living as husband and wife, and the children's births were registered under the name Haggerty.

Clara kept the name Haggerty for the rest of her life.

London and Plumstead were where they were living, not where William was born.

Just to add -
In 1921, William is in Gillingham, Kent, where he died in 1922.
In 1921, he's with Rosina; Rosina's daughter Lilian; his own daughter Minnie;
Kathleen 1912 ( his daughter with Rosina); and a sixth person whose surname apparently isn't Haggerty. (Don't have sub to see who it is.)

Good to see that he kept in touch with at least some of his first family.


HAGGERTY, KATHLEEN MARY mmn MARLOW
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1388

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 May 2024 09:49

1921 Census Of England & Wales
19, Wood Street, Brompton, Gillingham, Kent, England

William Haggerty Head Male 1878 42 Camberley, Surrey, England Clerk Book Keeper Re Record Office (Out Of Work)
Rosina Haggerty Wife Female 1878 42 Canterbury, Kent, England House Hold Duties -
Minnie Haggerty Daughter Female 1900 20 Woolwich, Kent, England Domestic Mr G Lingley Reiceving Laundry Office
Lillian Haggerty Daughter Female 1902 18 Woolwich, Kent, England - -
Kathleen Haggerty Daughter Female 1912 9 Chatham, Kent, England - -
John Hewett Lodger Male 1863 58 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Fitter Engine Government Hm Dockyard Chatham

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 May 2024 09:57

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
38, Manor Road, Erith, Dartford, Kent, England

George Appleton Head Married Male 35 1856 Labourer Hampshire, England
Alice Appleton Wife Married Female 34 1857 - London, Middlesex, England
Clara E Appleton Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Erith, Kent, England
George Appleton Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Erith, Kent, England
Alice M Appleton Daughter - Female 3 1888 Scholar Erith, Kent, England
Florence E Appleton Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Erith, Kent, England

APPLETON, CLARA HELEN BRAXTON
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 412

1921 Census Of England & Wales
105, Lower Road, Erith, Kent, England
George Appleton Head Male 1854 66 Hampshire, England Driver Engine Thomas Law Mills Steam Erith Kent
Alice Maud Appleton Wife Female 1854 67 Wapping, London, England House Wife -
Florence Emily Appleton Daughter Female 1892 29 Kent, England At Home No Occupation House Work
Clara Ellen Haggerty Daughter Female 1882 38 Kent, England Daily Worker Mr Jefferys Corn Merchant Erith Kent

Haggertay
Clara H
1879
1942
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Dartford, Kent, England