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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 23 Aug 2025 00:12

I have David Wallace married to Catherine Hay in 1814 in Crail, Fife, Scotland. In a family book David and Catherine had daughters Janet Jessie b 1833 and Catherine b 1841. A daughter to Catherine (1841) is Catherine Thomson who went on to marry George Dickson (this is correct). There seems to be19 years between the marriage of David and Catherine Hay and their first born so this doesn't seem right to me.
I've checked Scotland's People, FamilySearch, Ancestry and FindMyPast and can't find anything.
Any suggestions where else I might try.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 00:41

Marriage:

WALLACE
DAVID
CATHARINE HAY/FR464 (FR464)
15/01/1814
425
20 / 100
Dunino


"Dunino is a village and parish in the East Neuk of Fife. It is 10 km from the nearest town, St Andrews, and 8 km from the fishing village of Anstruther. It is a small village with no local shops or services. It had one primary school which was closed down in 2014. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunino


Children:

WALLACE
ISOBEL
DAVID WALLACE/CATHARINE HAY
F
10/05/1835
417
60 / 110
Crail

WALLACE
MARY
DAVID WALLACE/CATHARINE KEY
F
31/12/1832
417
60 / 93
Crail




WALLACE
ELISABETH
DAVID WALLACE/CATHARINE HAY FR465 (FR465)
F
23/07/1815
425
20 / 101
Dunino

WALLACE
JANET
DAVID WALLACE/KATHARINE HAY
F
24/07/1824
438
30 / 14
Kilrenny

WALLACE
JAMES
DAVID WALLACE/KATHARINE HAY FR529 (FR529)
M
16/11/1819
438
30 / 5
Kilrenny

WALLACE
JANET
DAVID WALLACE/KATHARINE HAY
F
27/09/1822
438
30 / 10
Kilrenny

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 00:45

I don't see baptisms of "Janet Jessie b 1833 and Catherine b 1841."


??? (probably not the same family - different area of Fife)

WALLACE
-----
DAVID WALLACE/
U
19/01/1841
447
70 / 243
Markinch

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 01:13

The Dickson marriage - NOTE surname Wallace, not Thomson:

DICKSON, GEORGE
WALLACE, CATHERINE THOMS. . .
1880
417 / 1
Crail

Catherine T Dickson
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name Catherine T Dickson
Age 19
Estimated Birth Year abt 1862
Relationship Wife
Spouse's Name George Dickson
Gender Female
Where born Edinburgh, Midloth
Registration Number 402
Registration District Anstruther Easter
Civil parish Anstruther Easter
Town Anstruther Easter
County Fife
Address Rodger Street
ED 2
Household schedule number 48
Line 20
Roll cssct1881_113
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Dickson 32 Head
Catherine T Dickson 19 Wife
Archibald Dickson 10 Mo Son


Birth of that Catherine:

WALLACE
CATHERINE THOMS
F
1861
685 / 1 / 1200
St George [Edinburgh ]


Catherine Thomson Wallace
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name Catherine Thomson Wallace
Gender Female
Birth Date 23 Nov 1861
Birth Place Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Mother
Catherine Wallace



Birth of son Archibald:

DICKSON
ARCHIBALD
mmn WALLACE
M
1880
417 / 33
Crail

They also had a daughter, Catherine, born 3/10/1881 in Anstruther.

I haven't researched the Dicksons further, as you presumably know all about them.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 01:25

Are you sure Catherine 1841 is a daughter of David and Catherine??

What is the "family book" in which Catherine 1841 is mentioned?
When does it date from, if hand-written?

There's no daughter named Catherine with David and Catherine senior in 1851:

David Wallace
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name David Wallace
Age 60
Estimated Birth Year abt 1791
Relationship Head
Spouse
Catherine Wallace
Gender Male
Where born Denino, fifeshire
Parish Number 417
Civil parish Crail
County Fife
Address Marketgate
Occupation Gardener
ED 2
Page 8
Household schedule number 33
Line 1
Roll CSSCT1851_86
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
David Wallace 60 Head
Catherine Wallace 51 Wife
Jessie Wallace 25 Daughter
Mary Wallace 17 Daughter
Isabella Wallace 14 Daughter
Davidina Wallace 7 Grandaughter (Granddaughter)


There's no Catherine with them in 1841, 1861, or 1871, either.


Janet/Jessie's baptism - not 1833:

WALLACE
JANET
DAVID WALLACE/KATHARINE HAY
F
24/07/1824
438
30 / 14
Kilrenny


And a previous child of the same name:

WALLACE
JANET
DAVID WALLACE/KATHARINE HAY
F
27/09/1822
438
30 / 10
Kilrenny

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 10:35

Re the grand-daughter Davidina (supposedly born c1844) in the 1851 census -

in 1861 she's listed as a daughter of David, and called Jessie D.
In 1871 she's Davinna, and back to being a grand-daughter.

There's no sign of her baptism on SP.


Death:

WALLACE
JESSIE DAVINA
63
mmn WALLACE
F
1907
417 / 7
Crail

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 11:09

Did you miss the earlier baptisms on SP, Yvonne?
Regarding another of your threads, you didn't respond to my PM.........................

Are David and Catherine actually named as the parents of the girls listed in the 'family book'?
Is a location given for their baptisms?

Are these your relations??

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 12:12

from the opening post
" Catherine Thomson who went on to marry George Dickson"

DICKSON
GEORGE
WALLACE
CATHERINE THOMS
1880
417 / 1
Crail

Do you have the cert?????????

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 12:28

WALLACE
CATHERINE THOMS
F
1861
685 / 1 / 1200
St George

Above is Midlothian

Baptism on FMP names mother as Catherine Wallace
Do you have the birth cert???????

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 12:36

There is only one Catherine born c1861 with a mother Catherine in Edinburgh on 1871 census

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
38, Jamaica Street, St Stephen Edinburgh, St Andrews, Midlothian, Scotland

Catherine Wallace - Widow Female 50 1821 Shop keeper Kilrenny, Fife, Scotland
Catherine Wallace Daughter - Female 9 1862 Scholar St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 12:56

If that's her, she has called herself a widow to save face. She wasn't married.

Possibly the same woman below???
Still no baptism record, though.

Catherine Wallace
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name Catherine Wallace
Age 20
Estimated Birth Year abt 1821
Gender Female
Where born Fife, Scotland
Civil parish Anstruther Easter
County Fife
Address Anstr Place
Occupation F S
Parish Number 402
Household Members (Name) Age
Catherine Wallace 20
Margaret Currie 35
May Robertson 26

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 12:58

And certainly not born 1841……

Her death might help…..

Yvonne says she has accessed all the sites we use, so we can’t find anything she can’t

Can’t look now…..OH wants his lunch

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 13:13

The same woman in 1851:

Cath Wallace
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name Cath Wallace
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1821
Relationship Servant
Gender Female
Where born Kilrenny, fifeshire
Parish Number 622
Civil parish Barony
County Lanarkshire
Address 17 Woodside Place
Occupation House Servant
ED 47
Page 22
Household schedule number 58
Line 1
Roll CSSCT1851_144
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Anderson 59 Head
Frances Anderson 46 Wife
Wm Anderson 23 Son
John M Anderson 15 Son
Frances Andersons 14 Daughter
Henry Anderson 12 Son
Caroline Anderson 8 Daughter
Cath Wallace 30 Servant
Jessie Bryce 24 Servant
Donaldson 25 Servant
Margt Pomfrey 33 Servant

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 13:17

Her death ?? NOTE MMN:

WALLACE
CATHERINE
52
mmn HAY <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
F
1872
417 / 14
Crail


So born c1820-21 - definitely not 1841!


No wonder she's not with her parents in any census !



ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 14:53

Apologies, AG, didn’t spot your Dickson post…….distracted by hungry OH

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 16:34

No probs, ErikaH.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 23 Aug 2025 19:58

Thanks for all this. I'm just trying to digest it all but it looks like there definitely was another Catherine between Catherine Hay and Catherine Thomson, and that certainly makes more sense. Since starting this post I did find the one born 1820 but couldn't make a proper connection. I did search all the sites I mentioned but you all seem to be far more successful than me. Probably down to me being a bit technologically impaired!!!
The book is one that someone in the Dickson family has done but when it got to David Wallace and Catherine Hay there were no dates mentioned so I was working a bit blind.
Thanks so much.
Note to Erika: I did reply to your post but it got returned to me, I tried again and it wasn't returned but never appeared in my sent folder. Sorry about that.
The post was very helpful and I did find lots of information. Thank you.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 20:54

Good news about finding info re your other thread. :-) :-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Aug 2025 20:58

It would appear that the book is not an old one with contemporaneous facts, but one compiled much more recently, and therefore less likely to be fully accurate

To summarise what has been found for you……….
Catherine Hay was the mother of Catherine Wallace, born c1821, who was, in turn, the mother of Catherine Thomson WALLACE, born illegitimately in 1861.

What are you trying to prove, please?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2025 21:42

Catherine Thomson Wallace is in 5 trees on Ancestry.

Only one of them names her mother, with wrong DOB (1841), but correct parents' names.

The tree "belongs" to an Andrew Dickson, who lives in Ottawa, Canada.

He also lists Janet Jessie Wallace 1833, and gives her death as in 1906 in Edinburgh.

He clearly hasn't done the arithmetic, as this is her death on SP, implying that she was born c1826 - presumably the one actually born 1824 as already shown:

WALLACE
JANET
80
mmn HAY
F
1906
685 / 4 / 252
St Giles