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Barbara Report 25 Aug 2007 19:58

Hi Ceri
I thank you for the info on my winchesters to Canada but i dont think they are the ones
i have George b 1887 i think he was aboiut 18 when he went his .
rother John was b 1884 so i think he wa 26 . george went over 1905 john 1910.
they had a sister Janet b 1890 i have afeeling she maybe went over with John. john had a wife and son wwhen he went to Canada wife was Margaret sons name John. kind regards barbara [Holland]


Jane Report 25 Aug 2007 20:51

Hi Ian/Ceri,
Could you possibly look for my g.uncle for me?
Details I have are;
James Birkett Checkett born apr qtr 1891 in Lancaster to Mary and Benjamin Checkett.
Last found on 1901 census in Lancaster aged 9 with his parents.
Thanks to Jennifer and Lancs memorials I have finally found that he was accidently killed in Canada 7th Nov 1912. aged 21.
I'd never have thought Canada and have spent hours trawling for a death here!!
I wonder if you can find any trace of him going to Canada? And maybe a death entry so as I can find out what happened to him.
Any help gratefully received.


Colin Report 26 Aug 2007 12:04

Hi Ceri/Ian,
Thank you for your help.
My Gradfather Charles Henry has been causing me a problem for ages..I mean that in a nice way. We have a copy of his birth Cert which lists his mum and dad.
But when we come to try and trace/ get info on his mum and dad we hit a brick wall.. It's as though they never existed, very strange. We tried looking for a marriage cert for his mum and dad, no luck.. There was a story in the family that Charles Henry was born out of wedlock but surely it would have said something to that effect on his birth cert. Another family story was that his parents died not long after he was born and he went into a home. But I can find no death certs to prove this. Any ideas how I can carry on the search... looks like it's going to be a long and difficult one.
Sorry to go on so...


Thelma Report 26 Aug 2007 12:20

Hi Ian,
Please can you look for a Sophia Thomas on the 1841 Census for Hampshire? I think her husband's name was Joseph Thomas. He came from the Portsea area.

Many thanks,


David Report 26 Aug 2007 12:43

hi ceri /ian
thank you for all your info
in reply to your thread the husband of sarah ranson nee mudd john ranson born in ipswich suffolk 1791
would this help you in tracing his death record ??
also i have quite a few rellies /ancestors from the suffolk areas ie ipswich
i was wondering how to order a cdrom of births marriages and death also parish records for that area
thank you both
david ranson


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 17:07

I have checked for Geoffrey King 1944 1st Qtr (Jan, Feb, March) births and found the following, three results, you didnt say where he was born or even an area so i wouldnt like to say which one it would be. However, if you are aware out of the three what one it is likely to be, you can obtain the actual certificate which should provide the mother and father details etc.

Geoffrey King - mothers maiden name = Rowbotham, born in Bromley vol 2a page 1640

Geoffrey King - mothers maiden name = Goodes, born Edmonton, vol 3a page 1411

Geoffrey L King - mothers maiden name = Becraft, born Hatfield, vol 3a page 1998

You didnt say what the 2 boys (Barry and brian) or Doris? surnames were so i have been unable to look for them at all.



ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 18:45

I have looked William up for you, this is his birth but i think you already have this.
William L Robinson, mothers maiden name Sewell, born Epping, vol 4a page 850 - 1st Qtr 1923

I did look for his marriage and death but as both William and Robinson arent exactly unheard of names it is coming up with thousands of results, unfortunately i do not have the time to go through every single one without some kind of estimate as to the year or his partners name.

This is Stanley's birth, again i think you already had this but,
Stanley A Robinson, mothers maiden name Sewell, born B. Stortford, vol 3a page 1181, 3rd Qtr 1924

I looked for his marriage dispite having no approximate year, working on the fact that you are unable to marry until 16yrs, i searched years 1940 - 1945 and came up with the following (i am by no means saying that any of them are him as he may not have got married until later) you would however be able to confirm with the actual certs.

Stanley A Robinson to May A Crow, in Edmonton, vol 3a page 2615 - 2nd Qtr 1942
Stanley A Robinson to Elizabeth Shorrock, in Darwen, vol 8e page 775 - 2nd Qtr 1943
Stanley A Robinson to Doreen F Bentley, in Woolwich, vol 1d page 2154 - 4th Qtr 1945
Stanley A Robinson to Rose M Palmer, in Bethanal Green, vol 1c page 203 - 4th Qtr 1945

i have not been able to locate a death record for Stanley.

This is Douglas's Birth
Douglas M Robinson, mothers maiden naem Sewell, born in Epping vol 4a page 617 3rd Qtr 1930

I looked at the marriage records from 1946 - 1956 and the following is the only one i found, therefore i would guess that this is him.
Douglas M Robinson to Florence M. E Thomas @ Essex S.W, vol 5a page 524 - 1st Qtr 1953

Couldnt find a death record for him at present.

Lily's birth
Lily M Robinson, mothers maiden name = Sewell, born Epping, vol 4a page 665

Could not find anything else!


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 18:47

Sorry you will need to look in Parish records for things/events as early as you require. The search engines i am familar with all only start from 1837.


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 19:49

The passenger lists i have access to only start from 1890 - 1960, and he doesnt appear on any of these!


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 20:03

After checking the passenger lists i have acces to which are 1890 - 1960, the only JAMES Checkett i found was one travelling to USA in 1907 and they are entered as being 10yrs old, so i dont think this is him.

I then tried a general search for the name Checkett (as it isnt that common) and it only found the following:
The details below provide the passengers Last name, First name, Age, Sex, Year of departure, Departure port, Destination country, Destination
port (in this order)

CHECKETT A (no age given) M 1911 Liverpool USA Boston
CHECKETT Annie Adult F 1910 Glasgow Canada Saint John Nb
CHECKETT Catherine 25 F 1921 Liverpool Canada Quebec
CHECKETT Catherine 30 F 1924 Liverpool USA New York
CHECKETT Catherine 31 F 1927 London China Hong Kong
CHECKETT Eleanor 24 F 1908 Liverpool Canada Quebec
CHECKETT Ellen 22 F 1891 Liverpool USA New York
CHECKETT Eva 27 F 1927 Liverpool New Zealand Auckland
CHECKETT James 10 M 1907 Liverpool USA Portland
CHECKETT Minnie 48 F 1926 Liverpool USA Boston
CHECKETT R 24 M 1914 London Gibraltar Gibraltar
CHECKETT Sam 20 M 1911 Liverpool USA Philadelphia
CHECKETT William 27 M 1924 Liverpool Canada Quebec
CHECKETT Wm 30 1902 Liverpool USA New York



ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 20:12

Further to my last message, have you maybe tried someone that has access/lives in Canada newspaper achives etc. or even the internet for archives of what happened.


Jane Report 26 Aug 2007 20:16

Thank you so much for your time xx
How strange that James cant be found!
The Catherine you have for 1921/24/27 is my great aunt...quite a jet setter and carried on till she died in 1869..God love her :0))
Strange with James as we were always told he died young, then Jennifer found on a Lancaster monumental inscription that on his Mothers' grave, he is listed as accidently killed in Canada. His sister Elizabeth also went to Canada once married...what a puzzle I have to unravel!!
My very best wishes to you and your soonish new arrival xx
Just seen new post...I shall try archives, many thanks x


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 20:16

Hi June
Sorry i thought i replied already, i couldnt find anything else for him military terms, however the military searches i have are more for the soldiers etc that died in the war etc.
Sorry i couldnt help more


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 20:30

Hi Gwen
It nice that a relative that died bth so young and so long ago is still remembered.
I am willing to look up more information for you, but i need a little more info if you have it at all. As previously explained to you, there are unfortunately about 10 Arthur Shaw's per Qtr in 1900 alone!! With no say which one is likely to be the one in question.
Now days they put alot more information on a record of birth/marriage/death, but in the 1900's it was literally their name and the county or as near to that they were born.

If you know where he is likely to have been born or what quarter of the year he was born, i may be able to narrow the search down, the only other thing i would suggest you do (which is probably the best, to be honest) is to obtain the death cert i have given you the details for, this will provide his actual date of birth and sometimes does provide his parents details.



ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 20:49

There are no other Georges on the passenger lists at all!
The following are all the Winchesters travelling to canada from Glasgow.
WINCHESTER Adult F 1910 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER 35 F 1914 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER Ander 22 M 1891 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER Bessie B 30 F 1901 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER Eliz 32 F 1909 Glasgow Canada St Johns Nf
WINCHESTER Eliz 27 F 1909 Glasgow Canada St Johns Nf
WINCHESTER Fred 47 M 1929 Glasgow Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER Geo 20 M 1907 Glasgow Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER Geo 60 1910 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER George 49 M 1910 Glasgow Canada Saint John Nb
WINCHESTER Hamet 36 F 1928 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER Harry 50 M 1912 Glasgow Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER Harvey 55 M 1916 Glasgow Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER Horace 11 M 1909 Glasgow Canada St Johns Nf
WINCHESTER Hubert 7 M 1901 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER James T 28 M 1912 Glasgow Canada Halifax
WINCHESTER Jane 30 F 1909 Glasgow Canada St Johns Nf
WINCHESTER Jas 25 M 1910 Glasgow Canada Saint John Nb
WINCHESTER Jas A 24 M 1912 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER Jean 19 F 1911 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER John 36 M 1909 Glasgow Canada St Johns Nf
WINCHESTER John Adult M 1910 Glasgow Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER John 20 M 1920 Glasgow Canada Quebec
WINCHESTER M 31 1910 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER W 28 M 1899 Glasgow Canada Montreal
WINCHESTER Wm J 27 M 1909 Glasgow Canada St Johns Nf



ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 20:58

Following on from last message, you will notice that there is also no Janet Winchester.
The only other Winchester that i guess could be him off that list is GEO Winchester travelling in 1907 (he is about right age) If so this is him below.

Date of departure: 8 June 1907
Port of departure: Glasgow
Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada
Age: 20
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: F Labr
Passenger recorded on: Page 13 of 21
Official Number: 0
Master's name: J Mitchell
Steamship Line: Donaldson Line Of Steamers
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 30593
Registered tonnage: 5228
Passengers on voyage: 752

The following is possibly John, no age supplied.
Date of departure: 4 June 1910
Port of departure: Glasgow
Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada
Age: Adult
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: F Labr
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 20
Official Number: 124130
Master's name: John Mitchell
Steamship Line: Donaldson
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 32070
Registered tonnage: 5227
Passengers on voyage: 809



ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 21:07

If Charles was born out of wedlock it might not necessarily be put on his birth cert to that effect (remember it wasnt allowed and so they tended to lie!! ALOT in fact, as i found out with my family,lol , you could even find out that his parents never were married they just told everyone they were to prevent her being sent to prison etc, and by the time they had had children it was then to late to be married as they had already said they were)

Maybe try looking for death certs, try her maiden name and married name, i would also try checking out whether they died shortly after charles birth, either by locating death certs or maybe enquiring with Barnardo's or similar (some people have acces to adopted/fostered children records,unfortunately i dont), failing that maybe try visiting libaries etc close to where they originated etc, check for parish records, newspaper archives etc.


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 21:12

Hi Thelma
You have asked me to look up on 1841 Census for Sophia Thomas, in Hampshire. However you have not said how old she was likely to have been or whether Hampshire was where she was born or just where she lived. I currently have 170 results!!


ceri Report 26 Aug 2007 21:25

This is the only death record for John Ranson born 1791.
Name: John Ranson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 78
District: Cosford
County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 303

Bearing in mind that the year of birth on a death record is not always correct, the following are all the John Ransons that died between 1837 - 1983, that were born 5yrs either side of 1791.
John Ranson abt 1791 1869 Apr-May-Jun Cosford Suffolk
John Ranson abt 1788 1869 Oct-Nov-Dec Samford Suffolk
John Ranson abt 1796 1870 Jul-Aug-Sep Bradford Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
John Ranson abt 1789 1872 Oct-Nov-Dec Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
John Ranson abt 1786 1874 Jul-Aug-Sep Durham (1837-1938) Durham

With regards to your query about a CD-Rom of the births/marriages/deaths, i would believe that you would obtain this either from the local registery office in Ipswich, or maybe from the same place that you can obtain the actual certificates from (as they would hold them all/have acces to the whole countries records), maybe give them a call.


Thelma Report 26 Aug 2007 21:28

Hi Ceri,
I think she came from Portsea in Hampshire and she would have been roughly between 50 and 60 in 1841. Still probably living in the same area.
Hope this may help.
Thank you, Thelma