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Nadia Report 17 Mar 2024 11:28

Yes true, might never find him. It is such a common name. He is the only one that is a mystery.


ArgyllGran Report 17 Mar 2024 00:16

It looks like being something you'll never know the answer to.

Many of us have at least one brick wall in our trees, where someone just disappears from the available online records - or, as may be the case with your John, has such a common name that it's impossible to know which record might be the correct one.


Nadia Report 16 Mar 2024 20:49

Yes Penstraze Farm in Saveock Kenwyn Cornwall correct.


Nadia Report 16 Mar 2024 20:14

It is so hard. Thank you so much for all your help.

John Mitchell's birth was August 1840 but Baptism is 4th October 1840, Kenwyn Cornwall England. Don't know what middle name he has. HIs brother Joseph died in Silverbow Montana. His sister Elizabeth Ann also died in Montana. The other siblings in Cornwall.

I have all information on John Henry Mitchell his possible son. b.1860 married to Ellen Rabey, did indeed marry in Butte Montana in the States instead of Cornwall. He was a miner. Returned to Cornwall and died 1933. His mother Bathsheba Eva died in Cornwall and Bathsheba's sister Martha Eva died in Nevada, USA. This grandson grew up with the Mitchell & Eva families. Grandparents.

I only want to know where John Mitchell 1840 went and died. Did he start a new family if he went to the States. He is a possible father.


ArgyllGran Report 16 Mar 2024 01:31

John Henry Mitchell Eva
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name John Henry Mitchell Eva
Gender Male
Baptism Date 10 Feb 1861
Baptism Place Baldhu, Cornwall, England
Bathsheba Eva
FHL Film Number 1545297

A private tree on Ancestry says he was born 1860 in Seveock Water, Cornwall.
That'll be Saveock, near Truro.

A public tree on Ancestry says born at Penstraze Farm, Saveock.

However, that tree, like so many others, takes a lot for granted.
It names John 1840 as his father, without any proof.

It has John 1840 in the 1851 census - then no sign of him until it suddenly claims that he married Barbara Teagle in 1903 - with no proof that that's the same John Miitchell .
1911 says that that man was born in St Sampsons, which is in St Austell reg district.. The corresponding birth is on GRO site, with mmn Harris.
Clearly not the correct John Mitchell.

Yet another tree (of many) gives John 1860's parents as Bathsheba Eva and an unknown Mitchell - but then gives the 1861 birth record with mmn Ennor.

A sad lack of research!


Jink20 Report 16 Mar 2024 00:58

ArgyllGran- OP has listed subject of your 16 Mar 2024 00:31 entry as John Henry Mitchell-Eva on her tree on FMP. DOB 13 Nov 1860


ArgyllGran Report 16 Mar 2024 00:55

You say that John1840 was born 4th October 1840.

No, that's his baptism date.

John Michell
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name John Michell
Gender Male
Baptism Date 4 Oct 1840
Baptism Place Kenwyn,Cornwall,England
Father John Michell
Mother Christiana
FHL Film Number 246765

He was born July - Sept 1840:

GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in TRURO UNION Volume 09 Page 293

So you can discount the man in North Carolina - unless of course he didn't know his true birth date, which is always a possibility. - and which doesn't help!


Jink20 Report 16 Mar 2024 00:43

List of Passenger Arrivals Ellis Island up to 1900
Search parameters John H Mitchell

Mitchell, John H 1853 Great Britain Lady Franklin
Mitchell, John H 1871 Ireland Jas Foster Jr
Mitchell, John H 1878 England City Of Richmond
Mitchell, John H 1879 England City Of Chester
Mitchell, John H 1880 United States Wyoming
Mitchell, John H 1887 England Alaska
**Mitchell, John H.1899 Cornwall Campania

The last entry is the only entry I found where Cornwall is specifically stated and I accept John would have to be about 59, if it is the person the OP is searching for. These are the only 7 results for John H's <1900. There are considerably more results for John Mitchell's either side of 1900.

ArgyllGran I note your emigration post dated 6 Jan 2023 22:19.

Alternatively, can someone with a Worldwide Ancestry sub consider searching the
U.S., Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 if it hasn't already been considered. My Ancestry sub doesn't include the World

I am aware that there are hundreds of results for John Mitchells, on Ancestry, FMP and FamilySearch just thought I'd offer some alternative options for the US if they haven't already been considered/ searched.

I haven't used the Ellis Island option personally as it requires sign up/account.

Nadia I note your comment "I have tried to locate in the USA" but as you haven't mentioned how, I thought the above suggestions may be useful to you.

If above options have already been researched, I will delete this post


ArgyllGran Report 16 Mar 2024 00:31

I know it's John 1840 whom you want to find - regardless of whether or not he's your gr-gr-grandfather.

However - I'm confused.
you keep talking about John Henry Mitchell 1860.

Is that his birth in 1859 ( ie - not 1860) , in the name of Eva?

Both 1901 and 1911 censuses say he was born 1861 in Truro.
1871 and 1881 censuses posted earlier also both give his birth as 1861, in Kea, Cornwall, just south of Truro.

But the only birth matching that is the one I posted on 20 January 2023 at 12:18 - with mmn Ennor. That child is clearly not Bathsheba's son.

(Incidentally, that child also married an Ellen - Ellen Harper )

Just for our reference - the marriage to Ellen Rabey - in Montana:

Ellen Rabey
in the Montana, U.S., County Marriages, 1865-1987
Name Ellen Rabey
Gender Female
Marriage Date 31 Aug 1885
Marriage Place Silver Bow, Montana, USA
Spouse J. H. Mitchell

Witnesses: Joseph C Mitchell and Mollie Pace.

I assume that's his uncle Joseph 1859.


Nadia Report 15 Mar 2024 22:37

Very true, I have tried to locate in the USA. But finding it hard. I found one man in North Carolina with same birth date 4th October 1840. I found his grave. But it does not say where he was born. So don't know. His name John Henry Mitchell.
The search continues. The son John Henry Mitchell 1860 married to Ellen Rabey is my great grandfather.


ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2024 21:37

US Censuses are on Ancestry, but they ‘re unlikely to help, as birthplace would just be shown as ‘England’


Nadia Report 15 Mar 2024 21:26

I will explain what I have.

Household Grandfather and Grandmother
John Mitchell & Christiana Hore
b.1818 & b.1817

John Henry Mitchell, 1840
William Henry Mitchell 1845
Elizabeth Ann Mitchell 1847
Jane Mitchell 1851
Thomas Mitchell 1857
Joseph Mitchell 1859

John Henry Mitchell 1860-1933 (His mother was Bathsheba Eva 1838-1916)
His father we are trying to figure out. He lived with the Mitchell grandparents for quite sometime and sometimes with Bathsheba's Eva family.

None of the other men are old enough to have had a child apart from John 1840, or the grandfather.
I have not been able to locate John 1840, if he went to the USA when he was 20. Just trying to figure out.


ArgyllGran Report 14 Mar 2024 16:23

Can you confirm that this is John 1860's birth, previously posted in 2023?

(In which case, he was born in 1859, not 1860 or 1861 as stated in censuses)

GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 244

If so, I assume that it doesn't say anything about his father.
How do you know he was John 1840's son?

You've already said, " I will never know which son got Bathsheba Pregnant, John, William or Joseph."

If John 1840 was his father, then clearly he was in Cornwall in late 1858 or early 1859 - but we cant find any definite record of him after 1851.

Sometimes one just has to accept that the records one hopes for don't exist..


ErikaH Report 14 Mar 2024 16:20

You say in one post you have info to 1851… another you say his son was born 1860, which is somewhat later than 1851 :-S :-S


Nadia Report 14 Mar 2024 15:23

It is not 1860 I am looking for, The John Mitchell I am looking for was born 4th October 1840 in Cornwall and possibly moved to the states. I have all the details of his son, who is born in 1860 in Cornwall.


nameslessone Report 10 Sep 2023 14:56

Did you get the 1860 birth certificate that Argyllgran mentioned back in January?


Nadia Report 10 Sep 2023 14:32

Still searching John Mitchell (Michell) Born 1840 in Kenwyn Cornwall.

I have his parents.

Have details until 1851. But not after. Maybe he went to USA. Who knows.



ArgyllGran Report 20 Jan 2023 13:26

Yes, she is.

However, we haven't found any sign of him after 1851.

If she has John 1860's birth cert, that may or may not name John 1840 as his father , which would move the search on by ten years. - though obviously no father will be named on the Eva birth above, if that's the correct one.


greyghost Report 20 Jan 2023 13:12

Isn't Nadia looking for the John Mitchelll born 1840, son of John Mitchell and Christina nee Ho(a)re, as being one of the potential Father's for John born c1860 to Bathsheba Eva.
He "disappears" after the 1851 census


ArgyllGran Report 20 Jan 2023 12:18

Yes, it is confusing!

Re John 1860 -

You say that John 1860 was brought up by John 1818 and Christiana/Charity as grandson.

However, he's not with them in 1861 (census posted by Greyghost on 6th Jan.)

In 1871 he's with his Eva grandparents.

John Hy Mitchell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Hy Mitchell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: 1861
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Kea, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Kea
Ecclesiastical parish: Baldhu
Town: Seveock
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Truro
Sub-registration district: Kea
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 2287
Folio: 51
Page number: 6
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Peggy Eva 65 Head
John Henry Eva 20 Son
John Hy Mitchell 10 Grandson

I assume this is him with the Mitchells in 1881, though you don't mention a middle name - but by that time of course he's 20, and not still being "brought up":

John H. Mitchel
 in the 1881 England Census
Name: John H. Mitchel
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Kea, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Kenwyn
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address: Penstraze Mount
Employment status:
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Occupation: Tin Miner
Registration District: Truro
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 2313
Folio: 43
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mitchel 63
Christianna Mitchel 62
Thomas Mitchel 23
Jane Jurey 28
John H. Mitchel 20

This looks like that man's birth:

GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in TRURO Volume 05C Page 169

His parents' marriage?

Marriages Sep 1857   (>99%)
Ennor  Elizabeth  Truro  5c 269
Mitchell  William  Truro  5c 269

NO, I've got the wrong John 1860.
The Mitchell/Ennor child is with his parents William and Elizabeth and several siblings in 1871.
John 1818 & Christiana's son William was still unmarried at 1861 census - so that's not his marriage in 1857.]

I can't see John 1860's marriage to Ellen Rabey - when was that?

Is this John Henry's birth?

GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 244

How do you know he was Bathsheba's son? Apart from the fact that he was with Eva grandparents in 1871