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Hi,
does any one know how i could find the death of someone in Scotland in about 1831.
Just been on Scotlands people and they don't mention any thing about deaths before 1855,so i'm a bit stuck.
I have looked on free reg and family search but can't find any thing
Cathie
any tips would be appreciated

Hi Many area's in Scotland have published pre 1855 Memorial Inscription books. Its amazing the amount of information you can get from these. This is an ongoing thing so if a book is not published for that area yet it could be in the pipeline. Contact the local Family history Society for whatever area it is. Where about in Scotland did they die ? I have some of these books for the Dumfries area.

Regards
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Hi Fiona,
thanks for the info,
my ancestor i think died in Cruden,he was married there and his children were born there
the first in 1820 the year he married and the last 1831,his wife remarried in about 1835,so i assume he died 1831-1834?
cathie

Hi That should be Aberdeen & N. E. Scotland Family History Society. Good Luck.

Regards
Fiona

thanks fiona,
good luck with your own research
Cathie

There's typically two levels of Scottish parish burial records - skimpy or none.
Go to the IGI search screen and do a place search in library - library catalog, then drill down, and click on the "view film notes" button when it appears at top right.

Title Parish registers for Cruden, 1707-1854
Authors Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Cruden (Aberdeenshire) (Main Author)
Notes Microfilm of O.P.R. ms. no. 185 in the New Register House, Edinburgh.
Missing years: Marriages, Aug. 1718-Mar. 1721; burials, Dec. 1713-May 1794, only three entries 1807-1828.

Note Location Film
Vol. 1. Baptisms, 1707-1759, marriages, 1707-1759, burials, 1707-1811. v. 2. Baptisms, 1760-1819, marriages, 1760-1819, burials, 1828-1854. v. 3. Baptisms, 1820-1854, marriages, 1820-1854. (Preferred film for viewing. Use this before ordering the other filming.) FHL BRITISH Film 993178

You can rent this film to view at your local LDS FHC. You can find an FHC in the centre col of the home page.


As has been suggested here, one alternative is MIs. A lot of ABD MIs are indexed at:
http://www.abdnet.co.uk/mi-index/
but, to take one example:
OLD DEER - Names and dates on Stone Number 113:
Margaret MURRAY 19 Feb 1805
William SLESSER 28 Nov 1806
Jannet SLEESOR 24 Mar 1811
Christian SLESSER 20 Jan 1857
William SLESSER 2 Dec 1865

NOTE: This is not the complete inscription
You will find the full text in booklet reference number u/p from ANESFHS


I don't have the complete inscription on this PC, but it says the stone was erected by Wm d 1865, in memory of his parents, Wm + Margt, his sister Jannet, and his wife Christian. Ages might have been given also.

Note that women were buried under their maiden surnames (Christian was d/o John Slesser + Agnes Dalgarno). The two post-1855 dates are death dates, not burials. Who knows about the rest.

There isn't a booklet out for Cruden, but I'm sure ANESFHS have some data.
In case your folks got attracted by the big city lights in the next parish, you might also check:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/phdgen/

Kathy, what time does King Street open on Friday's, I'm coming up from Ayrshire on Thursday and will spend next Friday there.

Thanks Sandra.

Sandra

We open 10am till 4 pm M-F .Then tuesday and friday evenings we re open 7pm till 10 pm . Saturday is 9am till 1 pm

cheers
Kathy

Hi Kathy,

Thanks so much for the offer.


I have
John Geddes born Cruden c1798 married to Jane Mckisser on the
8 June 1820 Cruden
I have a copy of the OPR to confirm this

They had four children
Margaret 1820 Cruden
John 1822 Cruden
Christian 1823 Cruden
Alexander 1828 Cruden (this is my link)
William 1831 Cruden

John dies sometime after 1831 and before 1 Feb 1836
when Jane marries George Willox in Rathen
On Jane's death cert it states that she was the widow of John and that he was a Labourer.

I Also think that Johns parents were John Geddes and Margaret Cruden.
Who married in Cruden in 1802,although have no definite proof at the moment.John also had a brother William born 1803.

Hope this makes some sense
Cathie

Hi every one,
thanks for replying to my post
I'm sorry i wasn't on line at the time.but the advice you all gave is very helpful.
Hopefully Kathy will do some digging for me next Friday,unfortunately iv missed her today and could kick my self!
Cathie

You can search 1841 and most of 1851 ABD at http://www.freecen.org.uk/
You should note that (thru 1891) St Fergus, the parish between Lonmay and Cruden, was in BAN not ABD, as were parts of the adjacent parishes, incl Lonmay.


Piece: SCT1841/235 Place: Rathen -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Rathen Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 5 Page: 2
Address: Cairnbulg

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WILLOX George M 35 Shoemaker Aberdeenshire
WILLOX Jean F 35 Aberdeenshire
WILLOX Barbara F 6 Aberdeenshire
WILLOX George M 4 Aberdeenshire
WILLOX James M 2 Aberdeenshire
WILLOX Charles M 1 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Alexander M 13 Shoemaker Apprentice Aberdeenshire


Piece: SCT1851/235 Place: Rathen -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Rathen Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 180 Page: 10 Schedule: 36
Address: Moss Of Cairnbulg

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WILLOX George Head M M 43 Shoemakr Mastr Emp 1 Man Aberdeenshire - Rathen
WILLOX Jane Wife M F 47 Aberdeenshire - Lonmay
WILLOX George Son U M 14 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Rathen
WILLOX James Son U M 12 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Rathen
WILLOX Charles Son U M 10 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Rathen
WILLOX Anne Dau U F 6 Aberdeenshire - Rathen
GEDDES William Stpson U M 20 Shoemaker Journeyman Aberdeenshire - Cruden


Piece: SCT1851/219 Place: Lonmay -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Lonmay Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 179 Page: 12 Schedule: 46
Address: Corsekellie

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
RAINNIE Charles Head M M 39 Blacksmith (Master) Emp. 3 Men Aberdeenshire - Rathen Farmer 12 acres
RAINNIE Elizabeth Wife M F 43 Blacksmith's Wife Aberdeenshire - Lonmay
RAINNIE John Son U M 14 Blacksmith's Apprentice Aberdeenshire - Lonmay
Page: 179/13 RAINNIE Charles Son U M 11 Aberdeenshire - Lonmay
RAINNIE Elizabeth Dau U F 9 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Lonmay
RAINNIE Helen Dau U F 4 Aberdeenshire - Lonmay
WILLOX Barbara Servnt U F 16 Aberdeenshire - Rathen
PARK George Servnt U M 35 Blacksmith (Journeyman) Aberdeenshire - Lonmay

Some possibles:


Piece: SCT1841/192 Place: Ellon -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Ellon Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 6 Page: 8
Address: Carn Leith

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BLACK John M 45 Farmer Aberdeenshire
BLACK Elspit F 40 Aberdeenshire
FLORENCE James M 78 Aberdeenshire
WALKER Margret F 5 Aberdeenshire
WILLSON James M 20 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
GEDDES John M 20 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
CRUICKSHANK James M 15 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
MOIR John M 10 Ag Lab Aberdeenshire
CLARK Isbel F 20 Female Servant Aberdeenshire


Piece: SCT1841/185 Place: Cruden -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Cruden Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 2 Page: 2
Address: Nether Braco

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
REID James M 40 Farmer Aberdeenshire
REID Isabella F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
REID Elizabeth F 15 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Christian F 15 Female Servant Aberdeenshire


Piece: SCT1841/235 Place: Rathen -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Rathen Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 11
Address: Invernorth

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MORGAN William M 45 Farmer Aberdeenshire
MORGAN Robert M 40 Ag. Labourer Aberdeenshire
MORGAN Duncan M 25 Ag. Labourer Aberdeenshire
MORGAN Agnes F 65 Aberdeenshire
HEBURN Mary F 30 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
RAE Jean F 15 Female Servant Aberdeenshire
GEDDES William M 10 Ag. Labourer Aberdeenshire


Piece: SCT1841/185 Place: Cruden -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Cruden Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 11
Address: Hill Gask

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GEDDES John M 65 Ag. Lab. Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Margret F 60 Aberdeenshire

[Can find neither John 65 nor Margt 60 in 1851]


Piece: SCT1851/219 Place: Lonmay -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Lonmay Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 179 Page: 13 Schedule: 47
Address: Wardend

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GEDDES Alexander Head M M 23 Shoemaker (Journeyman) Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Catherine Wife M F 24 Aberdeenshire - Fraserburgh
GEDDES Alexander Son U M 2 Aberdeenshire - Fraserburgh
GEDDES John Son U M 9m Aberdeenshire - Rathen

Thanks mgnv,
Some of this i already have,but some i don't,so i will be able to cross reference.
I don't have the death of Margaret Cruden and John Geddes,so it seems they may have passed away between the census ,at one time i thought that this John may have died young as well as i could only find the two children for them,John/William,which seemed unusual in those days.

It looks like these may be the children of John and Jane and Jane and George Willox.

Catherine

You managed to catch me before I started work

I checked the MI's for Cruden but there were no entries for Geddes .This is an unpublished record and not complete .

Had a look at burials for Cruden in the OPR's

John Geddes Hillhead of Gask buried 29 July 1833
Robert Geddes child of Wm Geddes Hillhead of Gask buried 2 feb 1843
Margaret Geddes Hillhead of Gask wife of John Geddes buried 5 oct 1844
Geddes child of John Geddes ( blacksmith ) Bogbrae buried 29 dec 1851
Mary Geddes Bogbrae buried 7 may 1853

I copied all the Geddes burials in case they are related
Hope this helps

Kathy

Hi Kathy,
i think the one's I'm after are the Hillhead of Gask.
So i think that John married to Jane Mckisser is the 1833 one as the dates do match,Also confirms his mother Margaret Cruden's death in 1844,she doesn't appear on the 1851 census.Plus mentions his brother William
So you have done a fantastic job for me
thank you very much indeed.
Cathie

Re Kathy's OPR transcript "Robert Geddes child of Wm Geddes Hillhead of Gask buried 2 feb 1843"

It looks like Robt's from this family:

Piece: SCT1841/185 Place: Cruden -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Cruden Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 10
Address: Hill Gask

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GEDDES William M 35 Ag. Lab. Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Margret F 30 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Margret F 11 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Alexander M 9 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES William M 7 Aberdeenshire
Page: 1/11 GEDDES Ann F 5 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Elispet F 3 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Elspet F 2 Aberdeenshire
GEDDES Robert M 4m Aberdeenshire

[Note that adult ages are rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841]


Piece: SCT1851/185 Place: Cruden -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Cruden Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 170 Page: 11 Schedule: 41
Address: Burnhead

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GEDDES William Head M M 47 Stone Quarrier Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Margaret Wife M F 44 Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Alexander Son U M 18 Stone Dyker Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES William Son U M 16 Apprentice Mason Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Elspet Dau - F 13 Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Elisabeth Dau - F 11 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Sarah Dau - F 8 Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Agnes Dau - F 4 Aberdeenshire - Cruden
GEDDES Christian Dau - F 1 Aberdeenshire - Cruden

Note that this William is about the right age to be John (h/o Jane McIsser)'s bro


Results for: William Geddes, All Counties, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Margaret Ogston

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1. WILLIAM GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 20 APR 1830 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

[This is an LDS member contribution]


Results for: Aberdeen, Scotland, British Isles
Father: William Geddes, Mother: Margaret Ogston
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: c111854

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3. MARGARET GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 AUG 1830
4. MARGARET GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 SEP 1830 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

1. ALEXANDER GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 15 JAN 1832
2. ALEXANDER GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 FEB 1832 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

9. ANNE GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 NOV 1834
10. ANNE GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 DEC 1834 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

5. ROBERT GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 07 JAN 1841
6. ROBERT GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 FEB 1841 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

7. SARAH ALLAN GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: JUL 1843
8. SARAH ALLAN GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JUL 1843 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland


Results for: William Geddes, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Margaret Sangster

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Results for: Aberdeen, Scotland, British Isles
Father: William Geddes, Mother: Margaret Sangster
Batch Number: c111854

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1. ELIZABETH GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 04 FEB 1839
2. ELIZABETH GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 MAR 1839 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

[I don't know if this is another untraced family, or if Sangster is just a mistake by parish clerk]

Aside from the two Williams' kids, the only other Geddes fathers in the IGI extracts of Cruden OPRs are 3 Johns.

Results for: Aberdeen, Scotland, British Isles
Father: John Geddes, Mother: Jane Mcisser
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: c111854

5 hits 3 kids Margt 1820, John 1822, Christian 1823

Results for: Aberdeen, Scotland, British Isles
Father: John Geddes, Mother: Margaret Cruden
Batch Number: c111854

2 kids John 1798, Wm 1803


and this earlier John, with no mother named:

Results for: Aberdeen, Scotland, British Isles
Father: John Geddes
Batch Number: c111854

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22. HELEN GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 FEB 1776 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

17. JAMES GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 DEC 1777 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

4. MARGARET GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1779 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

20. CHRISTIAN GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 APR 1782 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland

1. ALEXANDER GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 NOV 1785 Cruden, Aberdeen, Scotland


Since John, h/o Margt was a=65-69 in 1841, this set are the right age to be his younger sibs.
Presumably, since they're no earlier Geddes in the OPR, your John + parents migrated in from another parish.

Mgnv
so sorry not to get back to you sooner,but had lot's of family stuff to do.
But this is all very very good news
I never could understand why there weren't more siblings for John it seemed strange for the times.
Don't know why i couldn't find them
John Geddes and Jane Mckesser are mine
I do feel sure now that Margaret cruden and John are the actual parents of my John,I've been looking upwards of 1798 for some reason and never thought to go backwards!
some of the info i have but a lot i don't,so thanks for that.Also don't have Sangster on my tree at the mo,but often related surnames crop up as middle names,so will keep my eyes open for it
many many thanks
Cathie

I actually think the 5 baptisms 1776-1785 are John + Wm's uncles and aunts, not their sibs. This would mean J+W's dad John (s/o John) was born before that lot, probably in someplace other than Cruden. Course, it's all pure guess work here, and I can't think how one could check things out either way, unless maybe one got hold of a will.

Mgnv,
well i don't think they would have left any wills,Isn't it annoying that it's so hard to track people from that era.
Thank god for the census and registration when that came in
many thanks for all that work
Cathie