Genealogy Chat

My grandad's birth cert states the mothers name as Alice Roath formerly inwood. but his sister's birth cert states the mother's name was Alice Roath formerly Yapp.
I have the following three certs:

Bertram Roath b.8 sep 1886 father George Roath, mother Alice Roath formerly Yapp. (informant - father)

Leah Roath b.14 sep 1891 father George Roath, mother Alice Roath formerly Inwood (informant - mother)

George Roath married Alice Inwood Dec 18 1882
What do you think?
any advice welcome,thanks
Jill

Does the marriage cert show her as spinster or widow?

1891 is this the right family

Name: Alice Roath
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Roath 36
Alice Roath 32
Harry Roath 13
Alice E Roath 13
Jesse R Roath 9
Bertram Roath 6
Frank Roath 4



Two - possibly three- born before the marriage !!

There is this:

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
Dunn Charles Cooper Birmingham 6d 187 Scan available - click to view
INWOOD Alice Birmingham 6d 187 Scan available - click to view
Roath George Birmingham 6d 187 Scan available - click to view
SOUTHALL Caroline Birmingham 6d 187 Scan available - click to view


I wonder if George's mother's maiden name is Yapp? Depending on what question he was asked when he went to register the birth of Bertram, he may have thought the registrar wanted to know his mother's maiden name, rather than the baby's mother's maiden name.

Jill

THanks for the response.
It states she is Spinster - father Robert Inwood.
However, there was an older brother, Harry Roath - of whom my grandad angrily said "he's not a Roath, he's a Yapp!" and I found a memorial card among my granddad's things for Harry Yapp, died March 22nd 1926 aged 47 years.

1881 and no older children on there???

ROATH, Charles Head Married M 35 1846 Metal Polisher
Holywell
Flintshire
Wales
ROATH, Alice Wife Married F 22 1859 Whip Braider
Kinver
Staffordshire
Address:
8, Leamington Sqre, Kings Norton

Edit,,different Roaths

George's mother was Rosannah Edith Norberry Spinks - who was dealt with on another thread for me!
You've got the right family on here folks - thanks - you are so quick
Jill

The George Roath born in Wales is a different branch which I haven't connected up yet.
Jill

Harry:

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
YAPP Harry Birmingham 6d 223 Scan available - click to view


Cannot see a Harry Roath.

Looking for Alice:

Births Mar 1881 (>99%)
YAPP Alice Birkenhead 8a 496 Scan available - click to view

Births Mar 1878 (>99%)
YAPP Alice May Gloucester 6a 299 Scan available - click to view

I'd be inclined to buy the birth certificate for Harry Yapp born 1877 just to see who his mother is.

Kath. x

That's a thought, Kathleen.
But don't the series of certs I have prove that this Alice is the same person on each?
Jill

1881 mad suggestion but the name sounds the same

Name: George Roff
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 128 New Spring St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Metal Spinner

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 17


Shown as unmarried

It just seems stange that her former name is given as Yapp and Inwood on two different certificates. Perhaps she just lived with Harry Yapp's father when he was born and when she married George Roath her son Harry took his step-father's name. Perhaps your grandfather wasn't as happy with this as everyone else.

Kath. x

That's interesting Glitter baby, as the name was given as ROAF on one census.

Nice theory, Kath, but I have just realised I have the birth cert for Harry and have dug it out.
born 26 Sep 1877 mother Alice Yapp, electro plate scratcher. No father given!
Living in Gooseberry Alley, Warstone Lane, Birmingham

Then I don't understand where the name Inwood comes from.

Kath. x

That's the mystery I've always wanted to solve!
Jill

Until I got Leah's birth cert I wondered if there were two ALice's, but the time scale indicates they are the same one.
Jill

There is a story told by my granma that Alice Yapp was in service and the young master 'got her into trouble'. The child she had was Harry Yapp who called himself Roath, but was buried as Harry Yapp.
Harry had three children: Harry, Emily (sho died in Australia) Ivy who lived in Birmingham.
HArry junior married Polly who he found whimpering in the Bull Ring in birmingham in the vegetable market. He went to Scotland at one point to find his wife and was in some way involved in a murder. There was a scandal and the family wanted it hushed up but it was reported in the press (haven't found that yet!)
So there you go folks - a family of story tellers!
cheers
Jill

I cant find a Jess* R Yapp/Roath/Inwood birth at all for c1882,also I cant understand where Alice E Roath came from on 1891 census,she is clearly age 13 on image ,the same as Harry,but not his twin and no birth to correspond for her?
And I can find neither Alice E or Harry in 1881 under Yapp,Roath or Inwood.

But I am tired after too many late nights(thats my story ,so Im sticking to it)