Genealogy Chat

The Roath lot are proving very difficult!
I can't send for the birth cert of John Roath until I can find his birth.
I have:
John Roaf as the father of George Frederick b1857 B'ham - a burnisher (b cert)
John Roath age 20 m Roseanna Spinks in 1857 (m.cert)
John age 22 on 1861 census

age 31 on 1871 census

died 1920 age 82
Then there is a John James Roath b 27 Nov 1833 on IGI but the age isn't consistent with what I;ve found.
ANy idea what my next step should be please? I'd really appreciate advice here.
Thanks
Jill

Where is his place of birth gives as on all the census entries?



Nicky

Always Birmingham
Thanks for replying Nicky
Jill

So is this him in 1911?

ROATH, John Head Widower M 74 1837 Coppersmith Bham Warwickshire VIEW
ROATH, Stanley Son Single M 28 1883 Coachman Bham Warwickshire VIEW
ROATH, Olive Daughter Single F 21 1890 House Duties Bham Warwickshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18315 Reference:
RG14PN18315 RG78PN1102 RD385 SD4 ED46 SN121

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Aston Manor Enumeration District:
46 Parish:
Aston Manor

Address:
45 Endicott Road Aston County:
Warwickshire

Nicky

EDIT If this is him and the year of birth is correct 1837, he may not have been registered, birth registeration only came in on July 1st 1837...and wasn`t compulsory until later, many people were not registered..

Hi possible

1881 census

Name John Roath
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Copper Burnisher
Address 26, Arsenal Street
District Aston, Deritend
Parish Aston
Administrative County Warwickshire
Birth Place Birmingham
Birth County Warwickshire
in house
john headf 40
harriett wife 32
RG 11 / 3024

On the marriage cert to Roseanna, who is shown as John's father and what occupation.
Who were the witnesses?

Gwyn

I don't think that IS him Nicky as the children don't 'fit'. But I hadn't seen that one. There do seem to be a lot of John Roaths in the records considering how unusual the name is.
'My' John married three times to Rosanna, Dessey and Harriet (and THAT search proved complicated enough but was eventually solved thanks to help on here!)
but thanks anyway
Jill

His marriage cert. will give his fathers name....Have you located him in 1841 and 1851 with his parents? Maybe the age given will help you narrow down the search if it is consistent with 1837 like the others...



Nicky

Sorry Gwyn, I forgot to say his father was James - hence I was alerted by the IGI of John son of James and Jane but the birth date was earlier.

That's the one,PollyPoppet!

So this is him in 1881 then?

John ROATH Head M Male 40 Birmingham, Warwick, England Copper Burnisher
Harriett ROATH Wife M Female 33 Ledbury, Hereford, England
Wallace ROATH Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Stanley ROATH Son Male 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 26 Arsenal St
Census Place Aston, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341722
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3024 / 73
Page Number 5



Nicky

So your not sure the 1911 entry I gave is him ?

Is Stanley the Coachman in 1911, not the same one in 1881 age 1?



Nicky

Yes - John married Harriet in 1877

I don't think so Nicky. That family are on the 1891 census with a wife called Ellen who hasn't shown on my radar yet.

Ellen couldn`t have been a 4th wife could she??

Looks like this could be Harriets death. or do you have her with John in 1891 and 1901?

Deaths Mar 1886 (>99%)
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Roath Harriet 38 Birmingham 6d 17
ROATH Harriet 38 Birmingham 6d 47



Nicky

Hi is this the 1891 census you have
1891 census

Name Ellen Roath
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Address 26, Alma Street
District Aston, Aston Manor
Parish Aston
Administrative County Warwickshire
Birth Place Ledbury
Birth County Herefordshire
in house
john head 48 ( cotton spinner )
ellen wife 39
stanley son 11
harold son 8
olive daughter 5
mary couldstone mother widow 67
RG 12 / 2431

Well, that's a thought! I hadn't followed the Harriet marriage at all as my line came through his first wife, Rosanna via George Roath. But I bet youre right about ANOTHER marriage. I must get round to counting all his children by four wives.

So whos child is this then? She has the names of his 1st 2 wives....!!! How weird is that??

Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Roath Dessey Rosanna Birmingham 6d 125



Nicky

possible 1901
1901 census
1901 census record for household of Harold Roath
Address 26 Alma St
Civil Parish Aston Manor
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Lozells St Pauls
Parliamentary Borough or Division Aston Manor
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Aston Manor
Administrative County Warwick
Householder 1
Name Sarah Lloyd
Relation to Head of Family Boarder
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Bristle Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Harold Roath
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Iron Polisher
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name John Roath
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widower
Age Last Birthday 49
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Metal Spinner
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Ollive Roath
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Warehouse Girl
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Wallace Roath
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation ...
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity



they may have got johns age wrong will look on census image

Yes, Dessey Rosanna was my grandfather's sister!
She was the daughter of George Roath, son of John.
Jill

I think I am going to have to resort to Parish records to find John, but I did want to try and pin him down a bit more. I did wonder if he had knocked a few years off his age and was actually born in 1833. Although the ages are consistent in all the records.
My grandfather. Bert Roath, didn't know his age or his birthday until he sent for his birth cert to claim his pension.
Jill