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please could anyone tell me if there are any online parish registers for Stoke upon Trent Staffs, I have tried to find but had no luck.

Hi Chrystine, a few here that might help, but only up to 1812. (Scroll to bottom of page)

http://tinyurl.com/88rxvrv

many thanks, i think they are a bit early but certainly worth a browse, never know what i might find.

Can you find what you are looking for via FamilySearch?J

not able to find what Im looking for, only one birth registered on Free BMD, but not right one, thought perhaps i may be able to find baptism but having no luck. I cant think why birth wasnt registered, have a feeling Im in for a suprise. It should have been about 1870-73 in Fenton Staffs, name of George Deakes, I know there is one but its not the one I want.

Not doubting you for a sec but how are you certain this one isn't yours?

What other info do you have for your George? Have you got both these people in any census which would go some way to confirming that there are two people same name? Are you reasonably certain when he was born?

I've tried the alternative of Beakes and Beekes because I knew someone of that surname.

Would you like a look up on the census at all?

J

Looks as though there are two Georges. There are also three births under Deaks on FreeBMD but not make sense. I'm fairly certain at that time that births didn't have to be registered. All sorts of possibilities after that.

From FamilySearch

George Deakes
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1872 Fenton,? Staffordshire
census: 31 Mar 1901 Stoke Upon Trent,? Staffordshire,? England
name: George Deakes
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 29
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Fenton, Staffordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
sub-district: Fenton
ecclesiastical parish: Fenton Christ Church
civil parish: Stoke Upon Trent
county: Staffordshire
George Deakes
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1874 Fenton,? Staffordshire,? England
census: 1881 Stoke Upon Trent,? Staffordshire,? England
parents: Aaron Deakes,? Louisa Deakes
name: George Deakes
age: 7
gender: Male
birth year: 1874
birthplace: Fenton, Staffordshire, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: 82 Raglan St
census place: Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341655
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 2732 / 25
page number: 43
George Deaks
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1872 Fenton,? Staffordshire,? England
census: 1881 Stoke Upon Trent,? Staffordshire,? England
parents: Samuel Deaks,? Elizabeth Deaks

I have the birth cert for George Deakes, and also the marriage cert, both have father Samuel. The George I am trying to find is my grandfather. I dont know much about him other then he was born within the years 1870-1878,and I believe it was in Fenton Staffs, this is from family. he joined the army and was married twice, the first one could have been anywhere,but his eldest child was born in Malta, He married my Grandmother in India in 1912, and was about 20 years older then she was, sadly he died in 1945 as a prisoner of war in Singapore. I think its possible that he was the other George found on census,son of Aaron and Lavinia Deakes, as he called his first daughter Lavinia. his mother is down as louise in 1881 but that would be wrong. There is a George Deakes 1891 census in Lichfield age 18 and is a Militia man. Can you see why Im thinking he could be my George?. I will just have to keep searching I do have an idea whats happened but dont feel I can say without being sure, I wouldnt want to upset other family who are sure I am wrong.

I see why you think this other George must belong to you.

I've copied this from FamilySearch.org Lavinia married as a Hughes but her father's surname is given as Newman

Do you think that there is a possiblity that Lavinia might have been married and widowed. George might have been a product of that marriage and simply been taken into the new relationship?

Aaron Deakes
England Marriages, 1538–1973

birth:

1847

marriage:

1873

Fenton,? Stafford,? England


parents:

Thomas Deakes


spouse:

Lavinia Hughes


groom's name:

Aaron Deakes


groom's birth date:

1847

groom's age:

26

bride's name:

Lavinia Hughes

bride's birth date:

1847

bride's age:

26

marriage date:

1873


marriage place:

Fenton, Stafford, England

groom's father's name:

Thomas Deakes

bride's father's name:

James Newman

indexing project (batch) number:

M03344-3

system origin:

England-VR

source film number:

1470948

????

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEAKES George Fenton Stoke-On-Trent SELLERS FEN/021/088

Chrystine,
As Aaron and Lavinia didn't get married until 1873, it is possible that George's birth was registered as George Hughes.

The George Deakes born 1872 appears in censuses with parents Samuel and Elizabeth in 1881 and 1891, and then married to Gertrude in 1901. So surely can be discounted?

Just rereading, you have put:
'I have the birth cert for George Deakes, and also the marriage cert, both have father Samuel'
so, which birth certificate, and what Mother's name?

George with parents Aaron and Louisa in 1881 is born in 1874 or 1873, so possibly after the marriage, so need a few dates.

George's sisters Mary and Lavinia seem to have been registered in Q3 1874 and Q3 1876 respectively. That would put George's registration at Q4 1873 latest and that is the same quarter that Lavinia Hughes and Aaron got married. There is a George Henry Hughes registered in Q4 1873 who is a possible candidate.

Hi to all, the certs I have give Samuel Deakes as father (marriage) and Samuel Deakes and Elizabeth Sellers parents (birth). The possibility that George was born a Hughes is what I am thinking and have sent off for the most likely cert for his birth. The story with Lavinia is very sad, in 1871 she is with her husband? Frederick Hughes and 2 daughters Lavinia 4 and Emma 2, both children died in July of 1871, I have the certs (Scarlet Fever) but after this Frederick appears to have married, I am sure I have found him on 1881 and 1891 census with a Rosetta Hughes and children. incedently I also think I have him in 1861 with another women this time a Charlotte. I think perhaps poor Lavinia said she was a widow to avoid talk , I can only assume that the death of both girls within days of each other caused the relationship to end. I am very grateful for all your imput, it really does help to know others consider this possible. by the way I have not been able to find a marriage for Frederick to Lavinia or Charlotte, but he did marry Rosetta but not in Staffordshire, but Yorkshire. :-S

I have just found a marriage for a Frederick Hughes to a CharlotteTatton. in Prescot Lancs in 1860, and there are lots of deaths for Charlottes all over the place. will have to check censuses see if they are the ones I have found in 1861 or not.. :-S

on both Lavinia and mary's birth reg on staffs bmd for the years you give show mothers maiden name as Newman

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEAKES Lavinia Fenton Stoke-On-Trent NEWMAN FEN/026/095

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
DEAKES Mary Fenton Stoke-On-Trent NEWMAN FEN/024/053

so given that Louisa/lavinia married AAron as Hughes this would be George

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HUGHES George Stoke Stoke-On-Trent NEWMAN STO/029/071

Hi Ann Im really sorry to appear thick but how did you find this imformation,? Its great that you have because it shows George as being a Hughes and not a Deakes, but I dont understand how you did it, please help many thanks, :-D

Chrystine,
Try here:
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/births.php

thanks patchem for replying quicker for me - I was busy reading a chat thread, something I rarely do. To confirm - that is the one I used