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Hi, would apprecite some advice if possible. I have at long last found ggrandfathers birth on FamilySearch. Unfortunately I cannot find it anywhere else... I therefore have no reference number to order a certifcate... Details found are:

Name: Abraham Grice
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Sep 1895
Baptism/Christening Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Birth Date: 23 Feb 1893
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Grice
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Augusta
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: V00060-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1596987
Reference Number: pg81

Does anybody know why I cant find this on Ancestry/Freebmd etc. and how I can order a certificate without reference numbers...
. :-S
many thanks
shirley

Were the parents married ?

Yes...

????

Births Dec 1893 (>99%)
Brice Abraham Andrew Bedminster 5c 656

Strange just had a look at a WW1 record and this would appear to be the marriage quoted


Name: Abraham Grice
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age at enlistment: 21
Birth Parish: Gloucester
Birth County: Gloucestershire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 50835
Regiment Name: Royal Field Artillery
Number of images: 4




Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Brewer George H Messenger Holborn 1b 1188
CLARK Elizabeth S Grice Holborn 1b 1188
Grice Albert A Clark Holborn 1b 1188
Messenger Florence L Brewer Holborn 1b 1188

Name: Albert Abraham Grice
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Sarah Clark
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1913
Parish: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington
Father Name: John Grice
Spouse Father Name: George Clark
Register Type: Parish Register

Glitter baby,

This is him...Was also known as Albert Abraham Grice.... Have got the WW1 Records... also his marriage cert and death cert.

What I cant understand is that the record shows on Family org but no where else. This is definitly him as he was baptised in the church that his siblings all were.

shirley

Certainly a mystery

Can I order a certificate without references?? just by his name and date of birth.??

Hi Shirley, i think this will help, scroll down to -

What certificates can be ordered and how much does it cost?

Q4. If I don’t have the index reference number what will happen?


http://tinyurl.com/76eggs5

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1901 Census

Name: Abraham Fox
[Abraham Grice]
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Fox
Mother's Name: Augusta Fox
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas Pentonville
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Amwell

Henry Fox 30
Augusta Fox 35
John Fox 12
William Fox 10
Abraham Fox 8
Henry Fox 2



OK so Abraham's mother re-married

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)

FOX Harry Bristol 6a 62
Grice Augusta Bristol 6a 62





A Public Family Tree has him as

Abraham Albert Grice
Birth 1892
Death 1918-10-02 in Edmonton, London

parents John Grice (d. 1897) and Augusta Bayley

I wonder ?????????????



I just looked at baptisms on ancestry


a apparent sister Augusta was baptised within 3 weeks of her birth in 1897

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Augusta Grice

Name: Augusta Grice
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1897
Christening Date: 28 Mar 1897
Christening Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: John Grice
Mother's Name: Augusta


Abraham was baptised 2 years after his birth ........


I wonder if he was a sick baby, and they were too busy looking after him to register his birth?

Or if the record somehow did not get transferred to GRO (not unknown!)?

Or has been badly mangled in transcription??




sylvia

Sylvia,

Thanks for your replys... there were a few babies born to the Grices that died just after birth... indeed Augusta did a little bit after being christened.

I really feel like banging my head against a brick wall.. lol.... cannot go any further on my tree without a cert.

shirley

You don't need the cert as you do have his birth date and his parents names. It would be nice to have the birth cert but if its not available you do have his info .

still down as Fox in 1911
FOX, Henry Head Married M 46 1865 Carpenter Bristol St Phillips VIEW
FOX, Augusta Wife Married
23 years F 48 1863 Bristol St Phillips VIEW
FOX, John Son Single M 22 1889 Billiard Marker Bristol St Phillips VIEW
FOX, Abraham Son Single M 18 1893 Electro Plater Bristol St Phillips VIEW
FOX, Henry James Son M 13 1898 School London Islington VIEW
FOX, Gladys Daughter F 6 1905 School London Islington VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1218 Reference:
RG14PN1218 RG78PN42 RD14 SD2 ED3 SN176

Registration District:
Holborn Sub District:
Clerkenwell Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
St James and St John Clerkenwell

Address:
49 Penton Street Pentonville N County:
London


says married 23 years 11 children born 6 died ??

They married in 1897 !! so only 13 years

1891
GRICE, John Head Married M 30 1861 Fishmonger
Marylebone
London VIEW
GRICE, Augusta Wife Married F 29 1862
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
GRICE, John Son M 2 1889
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
Piece:
1980 Folio:
104 Page:
8 Registration District:
Barton Regis

Civil Parish:
St Philip & St Jacob Out Municipal Borough:
Bristol Address:
32, Amberley Street, St Philip & St Jacob Out, Bristol County:
Gloucestershi

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Name: GRICE, John
Registration district: [?] Barton Regis
County: Gloucestershire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:31
Volume no: 6A
Page no: 89

Name: John Grice
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1883
Registration district: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 340

spouse Augusta Bayley


Name: Lilly Grice
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1885
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 88

e: Isaac John Grice
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1885
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 89

?
Name: William Henry Grice
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1899
Age at Death: 11
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 33

Name: Augusta Grice
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1897
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 76

Shirley, thanks for your help and input. I do have most of that info. ld just liked to have had certificate. The Grice family are a complete mystery to me.

Sometimes entries were missed from the GRO index. It might be worth trying local registrar offices.