Genealogy Chat

Yes,saw those deaths and the possible births for Sarah Ann, shame there are 2 to choose from though!

However, if she was born Dec.53 (as per the ancestry tree) it must be this birth:

Births Dec 1853 (>99%)
ROSTRON Sarah Ann Bolton 8c 231

So the later one you have posted, the other was born in an earlier quarter.

Thinking about it more,that tree owner must have her baptism or birth cert to find dob?? Or is it just speculation??

possible birth for Sarah Ann

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ROSTRON Sarah A Little Bolton Bolton ROSTRON LB/25/375
or
ROSTRON Sarah A Western Bolton Bolton ROSTRON WB/26/137

looks promising Flip. I too had to go out after my last post and have just logged on again

there is also the death of a Rostron (girl) in 1850 & (boy) in 1852

Had a look at the tree on ancestry, they have quite a lot of details - including some birth certificates (not attached, but referred to). This is what they say about Sarah Ann:


Birth
1853
24 Dec
12,Green Street Little Bolton
Elizabeth give birth to Sarah Ann before she was married Sarah Ann was brought up by her grandparents Henry & Ann Rostron

They have William's birth 3/5/1847 at 36 Green Street, Little Bolton.

Although I realise trees can't always be relied on, this one does look fairly well researched. The tree owner's husband claims to be the grandson of Henry Rostron (18/6/1842-1929), ggs of Henry & Ann Cross.

The witnesses at the marriage to Ann Cross were obviously not connected to the couple as they appear on numerous other marriages at the church.

Of the births posted by Ann, Moses was reg Q4/1854, this looks like his burial

Burial: 19 Jan 1855 All Saints, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Moses Rostron -
Age: 10 weeks
Abode: Little Bolton
Buried by: C E Turner Incumbant
Register: Burials 1813 - 1856, Page 133, Entry 1060
Source: LDS Film 2356304

Ann, I wondered if Sarah Ann was actually a grandchild??

Have to go out for a while - will check back later!

these are the children showing (no Sarah!)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RAWSTHORN John Lever Bolton CROSS LEV/2/140

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1842
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RAWSTHORN Henry Lever Bolton CROSS LEV/3/128

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ROSTRON James Little Bolton Bolton CROSS LB/11/61

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1847
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ROSTRON William Little Bolton Bolton CROSS LB/14/350

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ROSTRON (girl) Little Bolton Bolton CROSS LB/19/272

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ROSTRON (boy) Little Bolton Bolton CROSS LB/22/100

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ROSTRON Peter Little Bolton Bolton CROSS LB/24/135

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ROSTRON Moses Little Bolton Bolton CROSS LB/27/213

This may be the family for Margaret, ch 1832 - I see they also had children Betty & William christened on Family Search.

Margt Rostron
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton West
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 535
Book: 7
Folio: 39
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Rostron 40 (Iron founder?, not very clear)
Robt Rostron 15 (Boiler m)
Jane Rostron 40
Betty Rostron 15
Margt Rostron 12
William Rostron 3

Although not certain, but if this is Henry/Jane his occupation does not match the marriage cert - although he could have changed jobs)

a tree on ancestry has Margaret's parents as Henry & Ann (Cross)


Marriage to Ann Cross
1832 27 Feb Age: 19
ST MaryThe Virgin Prestwick Lanc
Witness John Schofield & Abraham Kay Married by Banns by Thomas Tolming Register Marriage 1832-1834 Page 415 Source L D S Film 2356186 Henry's surname when married was spelt Rosthorn

lancs bmd shows a Henry (1842) and a John (1840) with mmn Cross - surnames spelt Rawsthorn

The 1832 christening you have found, what were the parents names? You have her father as Henry, coal miner, from her marriage which we can only assume is correct without anything to disprove it.

I was inclined to follow that family with mother Ann, as she ends up living in the same area as Margaret in 1861. The youngest child in the household is Sarah Ann (c1853 Bolton), which may indicate the whole family moved to Durham between 1853 & 1858 (when Margaret married). Don't suppose the marriage gives any more clues, like address does it? Or names witnesses?

Very interesting puzzle here.

To date I have the following information

MARGARET ROSTON was possibly christened 14th October 1832 Bolton le Moor Lancashire (this may or may not be correct).

The surname has various spellings ranging, from - ROSTRON through to RAWSTHORN.

Margaret’s place of birth place is not 100% certain because we have 4 separate locations in 4 census returns.
In (Cranston) 1861 it was Michaelston or Middleton, Yorkshire? (The only Middleton of Yorkshire is a suburb of Leeds BUT there is a Middleton in Lancashire just 2 miles east of Bolton with Manchester just to the South, this I feel is correct and Yorkshire was a mistake)
In (surname Crinson) 1871 Ouldom (really Oldham), Lancashire.
In (surname Cramton) 1881 Manchester Lancashire.
In (surname Crinston) 1891 Bolton, Lancashire.
In (surname Crenson) 1901 Oldham, Manchester.

Extrapolating the above data it is probable that Margaret came from the Middleton parish area of Lancashire just north of Manchester. The rest are possibly red herrings.

Now, who were her parents and how was her surname spelt. It is clear that the actual spelling of the surname varies considerably and because of this it is also difficult to locate the family (parents and children) in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census returns.

The hunt continues.

Jock.

Henry Rostron
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Ann Hinds
Gender: Male
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Prudhoe
Ecclesiastical parish: Mickley
Town: West Wylam
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 5143
Folio: 23
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hinds 73
Ann Hinds 55
John Rostron 28
Henry Rostron 26
Henry Rostron 9
Elizabeth Rostron 7
Jane Hedley 13
Thomas Fitzpatrick 27
Thomas Albot 24

Ann/John/Henry born Bolton

Think this may be them in 1861

Ann Roasteren
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Batton, Lancashire, England (Bolton on image)
Civil parish: Iveston
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 3733
Folio: 90
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Roasteren 46
Henry Roasteren 18
James Roasteren 16
William Roasteren 13
Sarah Am Roasteren 7

Henry born Little Lever, rest born Bolton and are coal miners

I have a gaggle of Rostrons born in the Bolton le Moors area whose parents were Henry and Jane born c1830s 1840s. Details taken from LSD

These see to fit the bill?

J

And another child:

Baptism: 18 Jul 1842 St Matthew, Little Lever, Lancashire, England
Henry Rostron - [Child] of Henry Rostron & Ann
Abode: L. Lever
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: P.R. Robin Inct. Minr.
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1866, Page 93, Entry 738
Source: LDS Film 2355941

Baptism: 29 Apr 1840 St Matthew, Little Lever, Lancashire, England
John Rostron - Son of Henry Rostron & Ann
Abode: L. Lever
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: R. Hewitt Inct. Minr.
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1866, Page 75, Entry 600
Source: LDS Film 2355941

The second John's christening I think?

Yes, I saw that Reggie but wondered if the enumerator assumed Yorkshire based on his interpretation of the place name. Who knows!

One thing bothering me on the 1841 census, John is age 1 so if correct must have been born 1840 - too late for that christening. There is this burial (same abode as 1841 and no matching christening)

Burial: 16 Feb 1840 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley, Lancashire, England
John Rawsthorn -
Age: 2
Abode: Lever
Buried by: Wm Burns
Register: Burials 1826 - 1852, Page 76, Entry 604
Source: LDS Film 1538439

So wonder if the John on the census was named for his dead brother?

Lancs bmd has a John W born 1838 (mmn Higham) and John J 1841 (mmn Higham) Freebmd has John Wood Rostram Q3/38 and John James Rostron Q1/41.

Don't really know if any of this is correct though - just a thought. Still no luck with them in 1851.

Have checked the image for 1861....place name is indeed not very clear.

BUT.........Yorkshire is not in any way open to misinterpretation, which doesn't mean it's accurate, of course.

The writing on the 1861 census is pretty bad, birth place transcribed as Michaelston by ancestry - looking at the image it could be Middleton?

Her birth place varies on each census, as Joseph has said in his OP.

If the 1841 census is the right family, I haven't had any luck finding them in 1851 to see birth places or get a better idea of parents ages.

Thanks for the quick responses, much appreciated and impressive.

On his daughters Margaret's marriage certificate Henry was listed as a Coal Miner, so that fits in to the 1841 census return.

It is not known what connection the marriage witnesses have to Margaret or Edward but I do know that there are some SIDDLEs connected to Edwards family tree.

It does appear that Margaret's correct surname was ROSTRON and the family does appear in the 1841 census as living at Little Lever in Bolton le Moors.

Still not able to locate the family in the 1851 census but on the information you have supplied me I will keep looking.

Again, thank you for all your help
joseph