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Savage Confusion

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CupCakes Report 16 May 2013 18:01

Just looking at the address
Islington ones are far from the others
"Lamb Court, Islington - probably not too far into Islington"
is Angel tube side

*East Street - off Walworth Road, SE London (now SE17)
is south of the river

The logistics of trvelling back then would have been a long journey with muddy roads. Takes me 1.5 hrs to get to my son's house SE17 from Islington

The others are Tower Hamlets side ever further a field


JannieAnnie Report 17 May 2013 00:50


Thank you for your information regarding the difficulties there seems to be in the distances. It probably depends on how far you are prepared to travel and for what reason I suppose! I have to admit I was basing it on my view of distance - one place from another.

I have been checking locations in a bit more detail and it seems that Harmon Street (gone) would probably have been in the vicinity of where Harman Estate is now - just off the Kingsland Road - the A10, originally a Roman road, so not a track - I expect the mud was more likely to have been dung!

If coming down from the direction of Tottenham in the north of London, Kingsland Road runs towards the Thames through Shoreditch - becoming Shoreditch High Street, but still the A10 until it gets roughly to Bishopsgate where it ceases to be the A10 but continues the fairly short distance to the River (about 15 minutes or so I would think to walk it - I don't rush). Onto London Bridge, off the other side - keep going straight to the Elephant (via the Borough) turn left and you are on the Walworth Road (well not the first road, that is Old Kent Road).

Using A10 as a guide (still coming from Tottenham) Harman Street (right hand side) and keep going to the right - you are very quickly in Borough of Islington , if you go to the left at the Shoreditch part of the A10, you are almost in Spitalfields - and if you keep going you quickly come to Stepney, Whitechapel and Mile End - in Tower Hamlets.

Interestingly - you mention Lamb Court as being Angel tube side - Old Street (junction with Kingsland Road just before it becomes Shoreditch High Street) heads towards Angel Islington via City Road which is just a walk up. Of course, if you continued to the end of Old Street (not using City Road to get to Angel) you get to Clerkenwell Road which is where I thought that Lamb Court might have been - in the area of Clerkenwell Green.

Looking at Google maps you can see how close all the locations are to each other, and it seems reasonable to me to move from Southwark to Hackney (if you are a bigamist), then to Mile End to be closer to the River and work.

I agree today it could probably take 1.5 hrs to get to Walworth SE17 from Islington - but I blame it on traffic, traffic lights, congestion zone and time of day (driving). Of course if you use a bus, they are annoying and keep stopping to pick up and drop off passengers. Of course, it also depends on your route from Islington to Walworth.

You may have guessed - I like a map!


JannieAnnie Report 29 Aug 2013 16:01

I am revisiting Joseph John Savage and collating information before I take a trip to the Guildhall Library which holds information on Lightermen. Today I noticed on a search on FMP (Thames watermen and lightermen 1688-2010) that there are 4 'Event' records for a Joseph John Savage in 1826, 1839, 1854, 1861.

If anyone has a sub to FMP I would be grateful to know what these 'events' are - and to see if they are about my Savage (or not). I hope that these are the same records I could access at the Guildhall Library.

Many thanks



Nyx Report 29 Aug 2013 17:41

Have you seen this?

"JOSEPH JOHN SAVAGE . I am lighterman to William and Edward Joyce, of Water-lane, Tower-street. On the 4th of April I was sent for some cases of wine”I got to the Batavia about half-past four o'clock, and received eighteen cases from the Custom-house officer on board”I took them to St. Katherine's Docks in a lugboat”I covered them with a tarpaulin”I was not able to get into the dock, and left the lugboat outside, in charge of a Custom-house officer”next day I went to the Thames police station, and found the lugboat with fourteen cases of wine in it”four cases were gone."


JannieAnnie Report 29 Aug 2013 18:04

Hi Rose

No - I hadn't seen that, that is really interesting - will have a look at the link

Thank you


PS Just realised when I was looking through I saw the name (William) Fishlock but wasn't sure where I had seen it on the Boards -and now I see the same surname name in your Researching box! Obviously where I saw it before...were your Fishlocks lightermen/watermen?


Nyx Report 29 Aug 2013 19:54

Yes JannieAnnie, many of my Fishlocks were lightermen/watermen :-D It's my William in the article on parish reg :-D


JannieAnnie Report 29 Aug 2013 23:12

I had another look at ParishRegister and saw the article had been submitted by 'Rosemary' - of course that makes sense! :-)