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Have been told my grandfather Frederick Hughes who emigrated to Australia where I was born, ran a Hackney carriage business in Chalk Farm Road in Camden London. this is around 1850's.
Wondered if anyone can add more to this info please. Would love to find descendents too. ;-)

Welcome to the boards Jennifer.

Can you tell me what year your grandfather was born and where please if you have it.

There are quite a lot of Fred Hughes in London in the 1850's.

Look in 'search all trees' for his name etc

Have to say it seems unlikely that your grandfather would have been old enough to run his own business in the 1850's

Even my 2nd great grandfather was only just old enough to have left home then

Think there must be a few generations missing

Frederick Hughes born 1861 ran the hackney business at 87 Chalk Farm Road, pancras. His son was also Frederick Hughes botn 1888.

This family?
1891 England Census
Frederick J Hughes
Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Hughes
Gender: Male Where born: Steeple Ashton, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London Country: England
Occupation: horse keeper groom
Registration District: Pancras Sub-registration District: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 132 Folio: 71 Page Number: 14
Frederick J Hughes 30
Alice Hughes 28
Alice E Hughes 3
Frederick J Hughes 2
John Hughes 24
Jesse C Hughes 22
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 132; Folio: 71; Page: 14; GSU Roll: 6095242.

Have you contacted the others on here who have this family in their trees?

:-S about where running the business in 1850's comes into this if born 1861

Pancras or Camden ?

Been trying to find ancestor to Frederick G Hughes 1861 who i believe started Coach business. Found name of William Hughes married to Elizabeth Hill that could fit with dates.

Jennifer - Could you please give us the birth reg for Frederick G Hughes, and the earliest census you have of him?
Details of his marriage if this took place in the UK would be helpful as well.
When did he emigrate so that any UK records after that can be ignored?

Do you have Frederick's DC in Australia? Does that name his parents?

We're struggling a bit, so if you can give as much information as you can, it would be great.

Hi again. FG Hughes according to 1881 was still still alive and kicking in London. His son FJ Hughes born 1888 emigrated to Australia but stowed away on a merchant ship, found in Asia and made to work his way. This I found him around 1910 arriving in Australia.
It is prior to FG hughes that I am now stuggling on. I haven't as yet found marriage certificates just on census's.
Thank you for your help. :-)

Hi again. FG Hughes according to 1881 was still still alive and kicking in London. His son FJ Hughes born 1888 emigrated to Australia but stowed away on a merchant ship, found in Asia and made to work his way. This I found him around 1910 arriving in Australia.
It is prior to FG hughes that I am now stuggling on. I haven't as yet found marriage certificates just on census's.
Think this might be FG Hughes parents. Would you think the same that they may of been travelers?
1861 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address
2, Smiths Place
Parish
Pancras
District
Pancras, Camden Town
Administrative County
London, Middlesex
Householder 1
Name
William Hughes
Age
40
Estimated Year of Birth
1821
Relationship to Head of Household
Head
Occupation
Coach Maker
Birth Place
Kingsley
Birth County
Hampshire
Householder 2
Name
Rosa Hughes
Age
44
Estimated Year of Birth
1817
Relationship to Head of Household
Wife
Occupation
Birth Place
Newbury
Birth County
Berkshire
Householder 3
Name
Frederick Hughes
Age
2
Estimated Year of Birth
1859
Relationship to Head of Household
Son
Occupation
Juvenile
Birth Place
St Georges
Birth County
Middlesex
Thank you for your help. :-)

Patchem thank you for your help too.
My FG Hughes was married to Alice Adams so seems to fit your record. ;-)

for reference ....................

is this the baptism for your grandfather??

from ancestry


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frederick John Hughes

Name: Frederick John Hughes
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Mar 1889
Father's Name: Frederick George Hughes
Mother's Name: Alice Hughes
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St Paul
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

from image:-

Born:- Oct 6, 1888
Address:- 1 R(???) Mews
Father occupation:- Horse Keeper



NOTE:- Address on the 1891 Census is 87 Chalk Farm Road



EDIT, ca 6:30 am ..................

I wonder if the address on here, which was very difficult to read, could be 1 Kings Mews, as that would fit in with the addresses on other censuses????



sylvia

Marriage Fred & Alice

Name: Frederick George Hughes
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Alice Adams
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1884
Parish: Haverstock Hill St Andrew
Borough: Camden
Father Name: George Hughes
Spouse Father Name: Charles Adams
Register Type: Register

Address both registered as living 26 Wellesley Road Camden
Frederick profession recorded as Groom (presume horses)

so you think that this is the marriage of Frederick George and Alice????


from ancestry


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Frederick George Hughes

Name: Frederick George Hughes
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Alice Adams
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1884
Parish: Haverstock Hill St Andrew
Borough: Camden
Father Name: George Hughes
Spouse Father Name: Charles Adams
Register Type: Parish Register

from image:-

Frederick
Of Full Age
Bachelor
Occupation:- Groom
Address:- 26 Wellesley Road
Father occupation:- Labourer

Alice
Of Full Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 26 Wellesley Road
Father occupation:- Sexton

Witnesses:- Charles Adams and Lucy Kemp



IF this is your great grandfather, and the father of Frederick J Hughes .............. then his father was George Hughes, Labourer


NOT the William Hughes you seem to have identified in the 1861

Following on from that marriage, this looks like the correct family for Frederick George on the 1861 Census

1861 Census

Name: Frederick G Hughes
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Hughes
Mother's Name: Sarah Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Steeple Ashton, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Steeple Ashton
Ecclesiastical parish: Steeple Ashton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Registration District: Westbury
Sub-registration District: Edington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

George Hughes 25 b.ca 1836, Bromham, Wiltshire, Ag Lab
Sarah Hughes 24 b.ca 1837, Steeple Ashton
Frederick G Hughes 2

Address:- Snarlton (??spelling) Lane



and

1871 Census

Name: Frederick G Hughes
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Hughes
Mother's Name: Sarah Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Steeple Ashton, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Steeple Ashton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Steeple Ashton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Westbury
Sub-registration District: Edington
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

George Hughes 35 b.ca 1836, Bromham, Wiltshire, Ag Lab
Sarah Hughes 34 b.ca 1837, Steeple Ashton
Frederick G Hughes 11 Scholar
Albert W Hughes 9
Henry E Hughes 8
Sarah A Hughes 6
John Hughes 4
Jesse C Hughes 2

Address:- Ashton Common


All children born Steeple Ashton



?????? in 1881?????? Occupation is wrong????

1881 Census

Name: Frederick Hughes
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 44 Queens Gate

Occupation: Butler Dom Serv <<<<<<<<<<<<<< ?????

Registration District: Kensington
Sub-registration District: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a

Selim Bustros 42
Emma Bustros 22
Alexande M.S. Bustros 1
Thodora Bustros 63
Catharine Dehara 36
Mary Nauphal 17
Tafer Nauphal 17
Elizabeth Seade 25
Josept E. Tannous 27
Elias Askkar 27
Elizabeth Baily 36
May Corolen 22
Sarah Clist 15
Frederick Hughes 20
Ayout Tyon 44

1901 Census

Name: Frederick Hughes
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Hampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Avenue Road
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration District: Hampstead
Sub-registration District: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 26

Frederick Hughes 41 Horsekeeper Groom
Alice Hughes 38 b.ca 1863, Glemsford, Sussex EDIT:- Glemsford, Suffolk
Fred Hughes 12 b.ca 1889, Hampstead, London
Lily Hughes 9 b.ca 1892, Hampstead
Edie Hughes 5 b.ca 1896, Hampstead
Lucy Hughes 2 b.ca 1899, Hampstead
David Russell 28 Boarder, Horsekeeper Groom <<<<<<< surname corrected to Trussell

Address:- 20 Kings College Mews East



EDIT, ca 7:40 am May 17 ...................

Records found later show that Alice's birth place has to be Glemsford, Suffolk.

There is seemingly no Glemsford, Sussex



sylvia

Baptism daughter

Name: Alice Ethel Hughes
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1888
Father's Name:Frederick George Hughes
Mother's Name: Alice Hughes
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St Paul
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Frederick profession Horse keeper
address 1 Kings College Mews, Hampstead, Camden

???? marriage of George Hughes and Sarah


Westbury is the registration District that includes Steeple Ashton


Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)

Hughes George Westbury 5a 175
Kemp Sarah Westbury 5a 175


and ??? Frederick George's birth registration

Births Jun 1859 (>99%)

HUGHES Frederick George Westbury 5a 136

George and Sarah's marriage

from www.familysearch.org/



George Hughes, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "

Name: George Hughes
Birth Date: 1836
Birthplace:
Age: 22
Spouse's Name: Sarah Kemp
Spouse's Birth Date: 1837
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 09 Sep 1858
Event Place: Steeple-Ashton, Wiltshire, England
Father's Name: John Hughes
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: James Kemp
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15347-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1279371
Reference ID:


Citing this Record:--

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX9Y-HL1 : accessed 17 May 2013), George Hughes and Sarah Kemp, 09 Sep 1858