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kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 14:10

My Great Great Grandparents ran this hotel in 1911. John Benjamin Green and Elizabeth Green with their children Verena and Reginald Green. I would love any information on them. I can not find death certificates for John, Elizabeth or Reginald, would love to know what happened to them...


brummiejan Report 12 Jul 2013 14:43

For birth years - we need these to look for deaths:

1911 Wales Census
Name: John Benjamin Green
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Gelligaer
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Bontnewydd Hotel Trelewis Glam
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Occupation: Licensed Victualler
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Registration District Number: 590
Sub-registration District: Gelligaer

John Benjamin Green 35
Elizabeth Green 35
Terena Green 8
Reginald Green 7
Martha Webb 20
Elizabeth Ann Davies 19
Elizabeth Hankin



brummiejan Report 12 Jul 2013 14:44

Have you considered this one?

Name: John B Green
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Mar 1938
Age at Death: 62
Registration District: east Glamorgan
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 934


brummiejan Report 12 Jul 2013 14:47

An Ancestry tree has Reginald leaving for Quebec 1924 - I am unable to view record so can't tell you what it says, hopefully someone with higher level membership will check it out.


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 14:48

Thank you, I have this information, although the name Terena is wrong it is actually Verena. I can not find any death certificates for any of them apart from Verena. Thank you again for your help. Very nice of you.


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 14:50

I hadn't seen the tree with Reginald leaving for Quebec... where would I find that?


brummiejan Report 12 Jul 2013 14:50

That's OK. I realise you have the info - it was aimed at other members who might be trying to track them down for you!
What are your thoughts on the possible death above?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Jul 2013 14:54

Baptism (Find My Past)
Baptism Year:1902
Baptism Month:Oct
Baptism Day:19
Place:Treharris, St Matthias
Birth Year:
Birth Month:
Birth Day:
Fathers Forenames:John Benjamin (Mining Contractor)
Mothers Forenames:Elizabeth
Record source:Glamorgan baptisms transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
(address, 1,Graig Terrace, Bedlinog)

Baptism Year:1904
Baptism Month:Jun
Baptism Day:19
Place:Treharris, St Matthias
Birth Year:
Birth Month:
Birth Day:
Fathers Forenames:John Benjamin (Licensed Victualler)
Mothers Forenames:Elizabeth
(address, Railway Hotel, Bedlinog)

Chris :)


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 14:56

Yes I suppose its possible. I still can not find the members tree that has Reginald in it!! From what I have learnt John Benjamin was quite a wealthy man and I am not sure how his daughter ended up in the Workhouse in 1931 having her baby (My Nan)


Adeline Report 12 Jul 2013 14:59

Passenger lists:

Address given: Tredegar Arms, Fleur-de-lis, Monmouthshire

Name:Reginald GREEN

Date of departure:12 June 1924

Port of departure:Southampton

Passenger destination port:Quebec, Canada

Passenger destination:Quebec, Canada

Date of Birth:1903 (calculated from age)


Marital status:




kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 15:00

Wow thank you Chris for your help too.


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 15:11

Thank you all for helping..... I had found out that John Benjamin had a nasty mining accident and was unable to work after so that would fit with what Chris has just told me. I believe when Verena passed away at a young age of 39 at some point her son went to live with her family, maybe Reginald. Its Verena's son I am trying to find. Douglas Walters born 1936. I have been trying for almost 3 years to find out something about him. I have been everywhere, joined various on line groups yet nothing. I have a birth certificate for him and that's it. No marriage certificate or death if he is dead. I can not find Reginalds death certificate either. How can I check for deaths in Canada???


brummiejan Report 12 Jul 2013 15:19

From other thread (no replies, have advised to stick to this one):

'I am trying to find my Nans brother.... My nan was adopted but don't think her brother was... He was born 29th August 1936 in Watford Hertfordshire. I believe he lived in the Godalming area until maybe around the age of 10.
His parents were Douglas and Verena Green. Verena and Douglas married in Eastbourne in 1930. For some reason they came to Watford and my nan was born in Watford Workhouse in 1931 and was adopted in 1935. Her real parents returned to Bournemouth.
However a year later they had another child, Douglas, his birth address is the same address as my Nans adopted family in Watford but the real parents were still listed as living in Bournemouth.'


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 15:22

thank you, I will remove the other one.....


ArgyllGran Report 12 Jul 2013 17:56

Re Watford workhouse, from Wikipedia:

"The Local Government Act of 1929 gave local authorities the power to take over workhouse infirmaries as municipal hospitals, although outside London few did so. The workhouse system was abolished in the UK by the same Act on 1 April 1930, but many workhouses, renamed Public Assistance Institutions, continued under the control of local county councils."

See also:

Sounds as though it could have become an ordinary hospital, but may still have been referred to locally as "the workhouse".


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 18:11

On my Nans birth certificate place of birth is 60 Vicarage Road which is the address used for those born in the Workhouse...


MarieCeleste Report 12 Jul 2013 20:48

This is the Canadian arrival form for Reginald:

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924

Name: Reginald Green
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Birth Place: Bedlinog
Age: 21
Date of Arrival: 20 Jun 1924
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Cardiff, Wales
Ship Name: Minnedosa

His occupation in the UK had been a turner and he intended to be a farmer.

He was going to join a friend Mr J Parry in Windsor, Ontario.


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 21:32

Thank you so much for that. :-)


kelly Report 12 Jul 2013 21:34

Now I need to find a death certificate for him!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Jul 2013 21:47

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Reginald Green
Birth Date: abt 1904
Age: 29
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 27 Nov 1933
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Boston
Ship Name: Britannic
Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 162316

(proposed UK address, 36, Oakland Street, Bedlinog. Occupation, Machinist)

Chris :)