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housebreakers aged 10-12 in B'head 1864

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brigid Report 24 Apr 2014 12:01

I put a thread on find ancestors for Nimrod Gradner which would be the appropriate place for census information+ family ties
rather than general chat about newspaper reports or particular court cases .

Kucinta I did find that one but it didn't make enough sense for me to pay to view image ; It says he's a cripple I don't think mine was and His grandfather Nimrod had died by then .....just how many Nimrod gardners can there be !!


Kucinta Report 24 Apr 2014 09:40

RE the Bugbrooke chap. It's 1858-1859. Seems to be taking issue with the Bugbrooke Society for not giving him sick pay, and whether he is half blind, dicky hip etc.or possibly swinging the lead...

Because the articlees/lettesr are long, I'm having trouble working out how to download - snips are illegible . :-(

This one goes on a bit:

Doc True
(purchased) THE BUGBROOK CLUB. To the Editor of the Northampton Mercury. Sir,—T have read the letters pro and con. which have
THE BUGBROOK CLUB. To the Editor of the Northampton Mercury. Sir,—T have read the letters pro and con. which have
Club c Case, and I have thought that this bad-blood-creating cons troversy might have been avoided, if the poor cripple, Nimrod Gardner, had obtained a fair trial before the Bench a of Magistrates, as did in the County Court, in Dec, 1857. But I find in
10 September 1859 - Northampton Mercury - Northampton, Northamptonshire,

Ditto this earlier one:

It is the becoming duty all men to obey the laws of :heir country, and bow subm-ssively to a decision court >f justice. Nimrod Gardner's case has been decided before an onest, fair, and impartial tribunal, and there, in pinion, the matter ought to rest;
02 January 1858 - Northampton Mercury - Northampton, Northamptonshire, E

coming down the lane, and when he reached the spot asked her what she was looking She said at man at work. He replied, " Nimrod Gardner 1 suppose ?' She said. If you to that gate you can see' «* well I could. walked a few paces the directof the gate when
27 March 1858 - Northampton Mercury - Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

There are plenty of others,


brigid Report 24 Apr 2014 09:04

Yes Kucinta ;Nimrod was born in Bugbrooke as was his grandfather Nimrod;
Nimrod Junior was born in Helsby Cheshire the name is more common than you would think !
; what were the dates of the newspaper articles you found for Bugbrooke?pls

A search for the other boys may reveal the court punishments for 1864 if anyone on ancestry would mind looking ; I don't have time to go to library today

Alisoun I'm frugal with non-family censuses ,used my ration of credits yesterday but appreciate suggestion .


Alisoun Report 24 Apr 2014 07:31

what was the punishment for the little boys for the first break in at Claughton road?
Liverpool daily post says it was John Laycock(not William) .

Detective work ; if you can find those boys on census 1861/71 you could find how near they lived to Nimrod junior (at Fore st in 1961 and presumably in 1967 when his father Nimrod a plate-layer was in the same paper as a witness to railway theft)

The other 10-11yr old boys were John Gibson, Richard Lewis and Daniel Jones but I suppose their names are too common for such census searches.


Kucinta Report 24 Apr 2014 01:02

Sorry - it was Richard in the news report of the drowning , my mistake.

There seemed to be quite a few newspaper reports for a Nimrod Gardner of Bugbrooke, Northants, was he an ancestor of the Birkenhead Nimrods? I noticed Nimrod husband of Mary came from Northants.

It's quite a good name to work with I should think.


brigid Report 24 Apr 2014 00:26

gosh Kucinta i don't know how you managed to decipher that .

The newspaper reports I read said they'd broken into a shop in 1967 and a house in 1964 ;there were also reports in the liverpool daily post on march 25th and march 26th 1864 but I didn't have enough credits to read them .

the drowned boy was Richard Gardner (james b.1874 was still alive in 1891)
He was the son of Nimrod +Mary
Article said body not yet discovered ...I wonder if the death certificate would show if he was found.
Their eldest son was Nimrod b1853 so i am not sure if he is the tearaway in the papers or if this could be a cousin ...Nimrod was a family names . The court records threw a spanner with the 1st name James .


Kucinta Report 23 Apr 2014 23:30

Is the 8 yr old boy James Gardner, who drowned at Morpeth Docks near Birkenhead when fishing for crabs a relative? The article says he was the son of Nimrod Gardner of Fore-Street, Birkenhead.

Liverpool Daily Post 10 July 1876

Seems to be from this family:


First Name NIMROD<<<<<<<<<<<
Last Name GARDNER<<<<<<<<<
Relationship HEAD
Condition -
Gender Male
Age 43
Occupation -
Year Of Birth 1828
Birth Town -
Birth Place -
House Number -
House Name -
Street FORE STREET<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Town -
City -
County Cheshire
Registration District BIRKENHEAD
Archive Reference RG10
Piece Number 3746
Folio 56
Page 56
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth
RICHARD GARDNER SON 1 1870<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Kucinta Report 23 Apr 2014 23:16

The 1867 crime for James Nimrod Gardner isn't larceny, that's the entry underneath. For James Nimrod Gardner and friends it's 'Feloniously breaking and entering a dwelling house and stealing therein?'

They did get 10 strokes with a birch rod as well as the 21 days.

The boy is listed as James Nimrod Garner in the criminal register, but just as Nimrod Gardner in the 02 February 1867 - Cheshire Observer report.


brigid Report 23 Apr 2014 19:39

I found a page from Birkenhead court records from the 1867 case;
the 3 boys were given prison sentences of 21 day ;the definition of the crime is rather illegible.(Larceny ,something something?)

ps Alisoun the 1st boy is listed as James Nimrod Gardner so may not be the eldest son of our Nimrod Gardner.


Alisoun Report 23 Apr 2014 18:05

Whatever the verdict was it didn't seem to deter them .In 1864 Nimrod +William are back in the news aged 13 -14 (Cheshire Observer 2 feb 1867) for breaking into a druggist shop with a 3rd boy Richard Davies; Again sent for trial ...try ancestry criminal pages .


brigid Report 23 Apr 2014 17:56

I have found a newspaper report of 5 young boys stealing a writing desk from mrs Mcpherson's home.My ancestor Nimrod Gardner + William laycock were the older ones ;The case was remanded how do i found out what the verdict was ?

liverpool daily post 25th march