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I am searching for the parents of Joseph McCann born in Bill Quays Sth - I can find him as an 8 yo living with Patrick aged 11 and a sister Mary aged 4. However parents do not seem to be listed. It is thought that maybe Joseph was illegitimate and his mother was pregnant with him when she arrived in England, she may have been Mary. Joseph McCann went on to serve in the Northumberland Fusiliers and went to Ireland after being injured in the war and married a young Elizabeth Baton from Bellaghy, they had 6 children, the last was my grandfather Barney McCann born 1910/11.

Can anyone provide any more info please?
Many thanks

Maree (Canberra Australia)

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Bernard Mc Cann Head Widower Male 40 1841 Chemical Labourer Ireland Transcription
Mary Anne Mc Cann Sister Single Female 28 1853 Housekeeper Ireland Transcription
John Mc Cann Son Single Male 21 1860 Cooper Ireland Transcription
Michael Mc Cann Son Single Male 14 1867 Cooper's Apprentice Ireland Transcription
Patrick Mc Cann Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Heworth, Durham, England Transcription
Joseph Mc Cann Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Heworth, Durham, England Transcription
Mary Mc Cann Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Heworth, Durham, England

Their Father is a widower and his sister is living at the same address.

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>>>>Barnard McCann Head - Male 35 1836 - Ireland Transcription
>>>>Ellen McCann Wife - Female 34 1837 - Ireland Transcription
John McCann Son - Male 10 1861 - Ireland Transcription
Michael McCann Son - Male 5 1866 - Ireland Transcription
Patrick McCann Son - Male 3 1868 - Northumberland, England Transcription
>Mary Kelly Mother-In-Law - Female 58 1813 - Ireland Transcription
John McCann Boarder - Male 25 1846 - Ireland Transcription
John Kearney Boarder - Male 26 1845 - Ireland Transcription

both 1871 census,,,,,,,

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First name(s) Patrick
Last name McCann
Relationship Son
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 3
Birth year 1868
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth county Northumberland
Birth county as transcribed NORTHUMBERLAND
Birth place England
House name -
Street Bill Quay Bottle Houses
Parish Heworth
Town -
City -
County Durham
Country England
Registration district Gateshead.

Possibly Ellens death,

Deaths Jun 1877 (>99%)
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McCANN Ellen 39 Gateshead 10a 429

MARIA
Last name MCCANN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1849
Age 32
Death quarter 1
Death year 1881
District SUNDERLAND
County Durham
Volume 10A
Page 280
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing

Only marriage I could find in Ireland for the dates and the death above of a Maria if that is Bernards wife.
First name(s) Bernard
Last name McCann
Registration year 1859
Registered Quarter/Year 1859
Registration district Ballymena
Volume 2
Page 70
County -
MarriageFinder™ Bernard McCann married one of these people
Ann Walker, Agnes Francey, Maria McKeown, Martha Allen
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Ireland

I found the following on ancestry, unfortunately I cannot see the name on the image when I open it?????

Perhaps someone else will have better luck!


Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925

Name: Mr Bernard McCann
Gender: Male
Notice Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Apr 1858
Marriage Place: Ireland
Publication Date: 4 May 1858

You lot are fabulous, many thanks !

Cemetery Registers Gateshead 1877 Ellen McCann abt 1838 Bill Quay

(if anything else relating, from below link)

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/

Chris :)

Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1881 Maria McCann abt 1849 Green Street

Bernard Mccann
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name Bernard Mccann
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 1859
Event Place Ballymena, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year 1859
Registration District Ballymena
Volume Number 2
Page Number 70

It may not be the correct mariage though.

Hi Maree, something's puzzling me - you mentioned that Joseph McCann served in the Northumberland Fusiliers, was wounded "in the war" and then had children - the last being 1910/11.

So, does that imply that it was the Boer War (1899 - 1902) that he was wounded in?

Re: SylviaInCanada's post:

Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925

Name: Mr Bernard McCann
Gender: Male
Notice Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Apr 1858
Marriage Place: Ireland
Publication Date: 4 May 1858

Typical of Ancestry's rubbish transcriptions - it's actually a death notice!

"April 30th, Mr Bernard M'Cann, brassfounder, Great Edward Street"

Joseph was actually born 1872:

Births Sep 1872
McCann Joseph Gateshead 10a 780

This is the registration district for Heworth.

1871 Census...Heworth..


Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Barnard Mccann Head M 35 Ireland
Ellen Mccann Wife F 34 Ireland
John Mccann Son M 10 Ireland
Michael Mccann Son M 5 Ireland
Patrick Mccann Son M 3 Walker, Northumberland
Mary Kelly Mother-in-law F 58 Ireland *******
John Mccann Boarder M 25 Ireland
John Kearney Boarder M 26 Ireland

Bernards wife would have been Ellen Kelly....

Re Joseph's marriage to Elizabeth BATON can you confirm the surname as there is only one Baton (1911) Ellen Baton aged 14 living in Dublin....granddaughter of the Cannon family..(no parents or bros .sisters listed)
No Baton in the 1901 census.

When you say Bellaghy which County are you referring to ..? Antrim Armagh Derry Sligo ???

Joseph McCannb 1872 in Heworth Durham Married Elizabeth BARTON b 1882, dtr of Edward Barton B 1858 and Catherine Diamond B 1862 whom he was boarding with in the 1901 Irish Census - at 85 Bellaghy in Londonderry. She was 18 at that time and he would have been 28.
Also living in the house were Lizzie's siblings, Catherine 14, Margaret 10, Patrick 8, Mary 6 & Agnes 2.

By 1911 Census at house 5 Edenreagh Bellaghy Joseph 36, Elizabeth 28, Kathleen (Kitty)6, Joseph 4, Thomas Edwards 2, and Bernard 0 were living there.

The last of these children I am fairly certain is my grandfather Barney McCann who married my Granny Ellen O'Neill from Roughan, Dungannon and are parents of my ma Lily (Elizabeth) McCann b 1938 and her 2 siblings Joseph b 1936 & Margaret b 1940

Checked original Of details 1901 ..States Pensioner 2nd Northumberland Fusiliers....