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Can anyone find who lived at Bradville Road Fazakerley Liverpool.

Iam looking for a Margaret Mary Bowan widow born 1894/1898 , and an Edward Cutler they were married on 8th August 1939 both listed at same address , I wondered if any of her family resided at the same address.

Also searching Margaret Bowan's mother Honor McManus b 1870 she was in Reading street Liverpool in 1911 husbands name was Thomas . I cant trace a death for her she had a son Thomas b 1910. wondered if she was still alive in 1939.

Thank you

Thank you

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Margaret Cutler on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Cutler Household (3 People) 6 Bradville Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Margaret Cutler 08 Jun 1898 Female Housewife Married 210 2
John Cutler 04 Sep 1908 Male 2nd Cook R M S Franconia ? Married 210 1
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Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Bowan Margaret M Cutler Liverpool N. 8b 1611 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Burke James Oates Liverpool N. 8b 1611
Cutler John E Bowan Liverpool N. 8b 1611 xxxxxxxxxxxx
Oates Veronica Burke Liverpool N. 8b 1611

Thank you Safc

I wondered if the house was occupied by family members, the closed record is disappointing. I know she had a son in 1910 but cant see if she had an other children after this .

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name MCMANUS
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1910
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS MCMANUS married one of these people
Sarah Ann Watson, Honor Nevin
District West Derby
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 766

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5b Reading St Liverpool, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas McManus Head Maried Male Dock Labourer 33 1878 Co Mayo Ballandrobe Resident
Honor McManus Wife Married Female - 40 1871 Co Mayo Ballandrobe Resident
Margaret Neven Stepdaughter Single Female - 17 1894 Co Mayo Clan Moore Resident<<<<<<<<<
Patrick Neven Stepson Single Male - 15 1896 Co Mayo Clan Moore Resident
William Neven Stepson - Male School 10 1901 Lancs Manchester
Julia Neven Stepdaughter - Female - 7 1904 Lancs Liverpool
James Neven Stepson - Male - 5 1906 Lancs Liverpool
Thomas McManus Son - Male - 1 1910 Lancs Liverpool

Married 1 year, 1 child born and living

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Deaths Sep 1946 (>99%)
McManus Honer 79 Newton 10f 2

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30, Gibson Street, North Manchester, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Nevin Head Married Male 27 1874 Blacksmith Mayo, Ireland
Honor Maye Nevin Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Mayo, Ireland
John Joseph Nevin Son - Male 8 1893 - Mayo, Ireland
Margaret Mary Nevin Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Mayo, Ireland <<<<<<<
Patrick Nevin Son - Male 4 1897 - Mayo, Ireland
Agnes Josephine Nevin Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NEVIN, AGNES JOSEPHINE MAY Order
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 369

NEVIN, WILLIAM THOMAS MAY Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 103

NEVIN, JULIA MAY Order
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 396

NEVIN, JAMES MAY Order
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 420

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NEVIN, CATHERINE MAY Order
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 378

MCMANUS, THOMAS MAY Order
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 429

The actual image on the 1939 Register has a little more information .............

The order is as shown below, with the closed record coming last. Note that John is apparently disabled.

John Cutler 04 Sep 1908 Male Married 2nd Cook R M S Franconia Unfort Disabled
Margaret Cutler 08 Jun 1898 Female Married Housewife
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The closed record could be for anyone

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Don't know whether you have this, found it while I was seeing what I could find ......

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

Name: John Edward Cutler
Birth Date: abt 1908
Age: 30
Port of Departure: Boston, Massachusetts, United States
Arrival Date: 8 Dec 1938
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: St Johns
Ship Name: "Newfoundland"
Search Ship Database: Search for the Newfoundland in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Furness Line
Official Number: 147312

from image:-

Passenger, travelling 3rd Class, boarded ship in Boston Massachusetts
Occupation:- Cook
Proposed Address in UK:- 38 Romsey Road, Southampton

Ship travelling from Boston, Mss, via Halifax, NS and St John's Nfld to Liverpool,

Thank you for the replies, I do have all the information on the family regarding Census, Births.

I wondered if the 1939 record would show maybe another family member as having difficulty finding what happened to the male children, Margaret Mary I do know details of her family.

I will order the death cert for the Honor Listed, she was Margaret Mary Nevin's mother.

I hadn't seen the Crew /passenger list information thank you

Margaret Cutler's date of birth on the 1939 register does not match the date of birth for Margaret Mary Nevin:

Margaret Mary Navin
Birth: 6th August 1894
Residence: Claremorris
Father: William Navin (blacksmith)
Mother: Honoria Navin (formerly May)
Birth registered 4th September by William Navin (father)

Wondered if this was Honor/ Honoria in 1939:

McManus Household (2 People) 33 Manor Road , Haydock U.D., Lancashire, England

Thomas McManus 28 Jul 1889 Male Colliery Day Wage Man Underground Heavy Worker Married
Honir McManus 12 Feb 1867 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
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Age fits with age given on her marriage to William Nevin:

Marriage: 9th Feb 1892
Robeen
SR District/Reg Area Ballinrobe

William Navin (age 21, Bachelor, Smith)
Residence: Claremorris
Father: Patrick Navin (Smith)

Honor May (age 25, Spinster)
Residence: Robeen
Father: Thomas May (Labourer)

This could be son Thomas in 1939:

Household 2 Main Building Wd 2 County ? Hospital Whittingham,Preston , Preston R.D., Lancashire

Thomas McManus Patient 21 Apr 1910 Male Incapacitated Formerly General Labourer Single
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And possible death:

Name: Thomas McManus
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1910
Registration Date: Dec 1988
Registration district: St Helens
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 37 Page: 91

Re Margaret's birth date on the 1939 Register ...................

she could have "lost" a few years to appear closer in age to John ..... only 10 years older instead of 14 ;-) .

not unknown!!!!

Thanks Austin and Sylvialn

I thought that Margaret may have lied about her age at marriage, iam not sure why she changed the actual date of birth in 1939.

The 1939 for the McManus family, he is listed as b 1889. In the 1911 census listed born 1871 approx. Will check up on Newton area where a Honor is listed dying in 1946 to see if its close to Haydock.

Margaret was also employed working on the Liners sailing from Liverpool to New York in mid 1930's where she most likely met John Cutler, looks like he may have returned to Southampton as death record 1978 shows same date of birth as his from the 1939 register.

Quite a few entries on below.

Chris :)

Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John (John Edward)
Last name Cutler
Event year 1918-41
Birth year1908
Discharge number 52394
Birth place (Soton)
Birth county/country
Birth date 04 Sep 1908
Discharge number prefix R
Card type CR1

Seems odd that the actual date of birth on the 1939 was different. She definitely knew her birthday:

Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941

First name(s) Margaret Mary
Last name Bowan
Event year 1921
Birth place Mayo
Birth county/country Mayo
Birth date 06 Aug 1894<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Rating: Bath Attendant
Discharge number R 145319
Card type CR1

AustinQ

Can I ask is the event year 1921, the earliest one on record for Margaret, as far as I know she didn't marry Mr Bowan until 1926.

Thanks