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Re Thomas William Alderson Born Feb' 1888


I did visit Crook Co Durham I had a look at a War memorial for World War 1
There were no Alderson's Listed. also Crook doesn't have any absent voters records.

Thank you again for time spent on my behalf you are very much appreciated.
Margaret.

Thanks again to you both.
I have the marriage certificate of Sara Jane Alderson and Joseph Thurlby.
Dated 21st. August 1918 which states that both Sarah and Joseph are widowed.
Sarah Jane had 2 children to this union.prior to the marriage. Rachel born 1916 and John 1917. I am in contact with Rachel's daughter Marjorie, but she cannot help my search for Thomas William. I am a member of the Alderson Society but no success with any matches. I am nor sure Thomas William Alderson was in World War !,

Kind regards
Margaret

I've looked through service records without success, there are some it definitely isn't.

Just putting these here for my own ref so I can see addresses in one place

Alderson/Hall children are confirmed on GRO index

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gardner Street, Brandon and Byshottles, Durham, England

William Alderson Head Married Male 26 1865 Durham, England Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Mary Alderson Wife Married Female 22 1869 Crook, Durham, England -
Thomas William Alderson Son - Male 3 1888 Stanley, Durham, England -
Florence Edith Alderson Daughter - Female 0 1891 Stanley, Durham, England -

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Woodifield Rows, Crook, Crook and Billy Row, Auckland, Durham, England

William Alderson Head Married Male 36 1865 Durham, England Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Mary Alderson Wife Married Female 34 1867 Crook, Durham, England -
Thomas W Alderson Son Single Male 13 1888 Crook, Durham, England Labourer Iron Foundry (Engineering
Florence E Alderson Daughter Single Female 10 1891 Stanley, Durham, England -
Margaret L Alderson Daughter Single Female 8 1893 Broompark, Durham, England -
Christina Alderson Daughter Single Female 4 1897 Crook, Durham, England - Transcription
Hilda M Alderson Daughter Single Female 2 1899 Crook, Durham, England - Transcription

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Bowden Yard Willington Durham, Willington, Durham, England

William Alderson Head Married Male 46 1865 New Shildon C Durham Coal Miner Hewer
Mary Alderson Wife Married Female 44 1867 Crook Cf Durham -
Mary Jane Alderson Daughter Single Female 26 1885 Crook Cf Durham General Servant Domestic Transcription
Thomas William Alderson Son Married Male 23 1888 Stanley Pit Cf Durham Coal Miner Hewer
Florence Edith Alderson Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Stanley Nr Crook Cf Durham General Servant Domestic
Margaret Louisa Alderson Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Brown Park Cf Durham General Servant Domestic Transcription
Christiane Alderson Daughter Single Female 14 1897 Woodifield Crook Cf Durham School
Hilda May Alderson Daughter Single Female 12 1899 Woodifield Crook Cf Durham School
Ada Alderson Daughter Single Female 8 1903 Woodifield Crook Cf Durham -
John William Alderson Grandson - Male 4 1907 Waterhouses Cf Durham -

Yes, you've got the right TWA for sure, I would say.

Now if only we knew what happened to him.

Given that Ada's mother remarried in 1918 - after having a child with her new partner - I would suspect a war death.

You could get that marriage certificate to see whether it states she was a widow.

Marriages Sep 1918
Alderson Sarah J Thurlby Auckland 10a 459
Thurlby Joseph Alderson Auckland 10a 459

You have the child of that marriage in a tree, have you ever been in touch with that family?

Rachel Thurlby 1916 Auckland

One other person has her as well (birthplace Crook ... always be general when searching, and for that one only the name is needed).

She married and had one child. The same other person has that child in their tree. (Born 1951 so I will not put any details here.) ... I believe it is her spouse. You will have a giggle when you see his name, if you don't know this already.


There are T/Thomas Aldersons listed in the WWI war dead at

https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead

but none of them seem to have personal info in their records (wife, parents, city). I tried searching for a few of them in WWI records at Ancestry, using only their regimental numbers, without luck, but you could pursue that search.

I would have a look at her remarriage certificate if you haven't.

Hello Joonie.

Parents of Thomas William Alderson born 18th. feb' 1888

Father William, Mother Mary Alderson. 1911 census gives the addressDurham.

Father was a miner.

When my parents married in 1927 in Bradford. Ada lists her father as deceased.
But....and not wanting to go through past thread .
Ada stated on her marriage to Fred Barker, she gave fathers name as Alfred Powell. The marriage to John Arthur Jones, Fathers name is Alfred Thomas Powell.
All very confusing ....Alfred Thomas was my father's name.
I did look at a death cert' for a Thomas Alderson age 26 Death 1916 Midddlesbro.
But it wasn't my Thomas . Thanks again. Margaret x

Miss M A Alderson
17 Briery Vale Rd
Sunderland


But of course, there is a Jones family at that address in 1911, sigh.

(the residents of the street spelled it variously Briary/Briery)


Possibly this household

Matthew Alderson 46
>> Mary Ann Alderson 19
Walter Alderson 17
Matthew Alderson 14
Katherine Alderson 11
George Alderson 9

given that the father was widowed, and Mary Ann filled out the census form for him.


Yup, the 1901:

Matthew Alderson 36
Mary Ann Alderson 36
>> Thomas William Alderson 11
Ellen Alderson 10
Mary Ann Alderson 8
Walter Alderson 7
Matthew Alderson 4
Catherine Jane Alderson 1


So yours is the right one!
(assuming that his marriage certificate shows his father as not Matthew)

Sorry Margaret -- I kind of felt you were right about your Thomas in 1911, given the location and the fact that he says he is married, and I was going to edit my earlier post to say that. It is confusing though.

What are your Thomas's father's name and occupation on his marriage certificate? If they match the 1911 census you posted, that one looks best.

I will find those military records a little later; in a bit of a rush just now.

(I suggested he was the 1889 birth, not 1897, just to keep us straight :-) )

Joonie.
I keep looking at your Thomas William Alderson born 1897....
..You have cast doubt now in my mind. I feel sure that i have the correct birth-marriage cert' and he links up with the 1911 census
Do you know the name of the sister who enquired about him, and found out that he was in India ?
I have searched long and hard, but can't find a Death, that matches my Thomas William Alderson.

On my parents marriage re Ada may Alderson / Alfred Thomas Powell 23rd.July 1927

Ada's father is deceased

Thank you Margaret

From other thread, seems Thomas may have died before daughter's marriage 1927?

just for ref


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Woodifield Rows, Crook, Crook and Billy Row, Auckland, Durham, England

William Alderson Head Married Male 36 1865 Durham, England Coal Miner Hewer Transcription
Mary Alderson Wife Married Female 34 1867 Crook, Durham, England - Transcription
Thomas W Alderson Son Single Male 13 1888 Crook, Durham, England Labourer Iron Foundry (Engineering)
Florence E Alderson Daughter Single Female 10 1891 Stanley, Durham, England -
Margaret L Alderson Daughter Single Female 8 1893 Broompark, Durham, England -
Christina Alderson Daughter Single Female 4 1897 Crook, Durham, England -
Hilda M Alderson Daughter Single Female 2 1899 Crook, Durham, England

edited sorry realised info had been posted.

Hello again all.

Could I " perhaps " ask for help again ? I have looked and looked for a death certificate of Thomas William Alderson. My Grandfather. I-have. found his Birth Certificate
Thomas William Alderson. Born 16th.February 1888, address 19 Stanley Colliery,Crook.Co.Durham. Father William Alderson, Coal Miner.Mother Mary Alderson.Formerly Hall.

Thomas william Alderson married Sarah Jane Brandston 16th.October 1909 in Co.Durham

I find Thomas William Alderson on the 1911 Census living or spending the night with his parents William & Mary Alderson. Living at 3 Bowden Yard-Willington-Durham. His wife Sarah Jane, is shown living spending the night with her parents Henry & Mary Brankston/Branston. So Thomas was alive in 1911
His wife Sarah jane remarried in 1918. I have the marriage certificate which states that she is a widow. Sarah Jane married Joseph Thurlby and had 2 children with Joseph prior to 1918.

I am not looking for information on Sarah Jane Alderson/Thurlby.....I would just like to find out anything for Thomas William Alderson Birth 16/2/1888

Thank you Margaret

Hello NYX.

I was interested that " Perhaps " Ada May was with Fred Barker in 1939
I do have there marriage Cert' 1941 not sure it was legal ? I did trace Ada staying in Baildon. Yorkshire, in I think ? 1945/6 staying with Fred Barkers parents. ( old computer coughed } and haven't been able to transfer past notes.I think they weren't on the 1947 register.Perhaps this was when mother moved to Blackpool.

Regards Margaret

Hello Joonie'

I am so grateful for all your help. Re my past thread...I don't know how to post past thread, or provide a link. I feel really bad, about duplication. I am not too familiar with my computer. I just know the basics........
I don't know much, about Thomas William Alderson ( Ada may Alderson's father. we only touched on such, in past thread. But I do have Thomas William Alderson's birth certificate. Which states that he was born 16th. February 1888 at 19 Stanley Colliery. Crook. Father William Alderson. Mother Mary formerly hall.
I also have Thomas William Alderson.and Sarah Jane Branston marriage certificate 16th. October 1909 which states that Thomas W. was a miner.
The 1911 Census shows Thomas William Alderson staying/living at the home of his parents at 3 Bowden Yard-Willington-Durham. and as you say Ada May was with her mother at the home of Sarah Jane's parents.. After 1911 I can't find anything about Thomas William. I haven't been able to find a death certificate.....Nothing....I also " still " cannot find a Birth Certificate for Ada May Alderson. Ada married my father in Bradford 1927 and it states on the marriage cert' Father Thomas Alderson deceased ?
I do not know the year that my parents parted. I do not think my parents were divorced. I have the marriage cert' for Fred Barker and Ada May in Wetherby 1941 note Ada May had changed her middle name to Margaret.....I do appreciate all your help
Margaret

Joonie that Fred Barker 1939 ...most unfortunately there is a crease in the paper obscuring the first digit of the year for Ada so it is 18th March 'something' 2 OR EDIT...it could be the top curve of a zero.... EDIT no I think it IS 2...going by an entry above it where the '2' is written much the same, ie smaller than the enumerator wrote other digits.

Will have to look back through thread to make any comment on that lol

About Ada's birth ...

In 1911 she and mother Sarah Jane are with Bran(k)ston grandparents.

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Thomas William is in the military in India in 1911.

EDIT -- No, this is the wrong TWA; see the 1901/1911 census info in a later post showing that this is a different person.

From his military records:

He had enrolled in the Durham Light Infantry in 1908; was discharged after WWII [392(xvi)] no longer fit for service (medical).

In May 1912 his sister enquired about his whereabouts and was informed he was in India.
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It seems likely that the marriage in December quarter 1909 was very short-lived ... and may have been hasty, given Ada's birth in July 1910.

Sarah Jane married again

Marriages Sep 1918
Alderson Sarah J Thurlby Auckland 10a 459
Thurlby Joseph Alderson Auckland 10a 459

having already had a child with that partner

Births Jun 1916
Thurlby Rachel Branson Auckland 10a 496

I suspect this info is all in the other thread but I don't feel like reading 10 pages just now :-)


(deleted info about the TWA in the military)

What I wonder is whether Ada was not Thomas William Alderson's child in fact, and so might have been registered under another surname.

(edit - a possibility even though he was not the TWA in the military)

In the 1911 census she is born in Lanchester Durham and is "under 9 months", so born between 2 July and 2 August 1910 -- which fits the birthdate 17th July 1910 in her death record.

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a birth under any surname to fit, in the September quarter of 1910.


Mother died in 1933 so no chance of Ada being with her in 1939.

Deaths Mar 1933
Thurlby Sarah J 41 Auckland 10a 352

Sarah Jane's second husband seems to have been older and also died before then.

Deaths Dec 1927
Thurlby Joseph 63 Auckland 10a 279

Half-sister married 1938

Marriages Sep 1938
Coates Francis S Thurlby Middlesbro' 9d 1465
Thurlby Rachel Coates Middlesbro' 9d 1465

They are together in Billingham U.D. in 1939 but no Ada.

Of the 57 people in Durham in 1939 with birthdate 17/7/1910, none looks like any kind of a match for Ada.


Again, much of this is undoubtedly already known, but hopefully it summarizes some background info usefully.



Has this 1939 record been looked at?

Household Leeds C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Fred Barker 1904
Ada Barker is also on this record

No DOB is shown in the transcription for Ada (I don't have access to the record)

Thank you both for your explanation's I think ? perhaps I am getting touchy in my old age. Our childhood wasn't a happy time, and we were never given any information regarding our mother. I learnt most of what I know from a very dedicated team of helpers, To whom I shall always, be more than grateful.. I have photo's of our mum, which were sent to me, from her grandson to the marriage of Fred Barker, but he was brought up by J.Jones..Such a pity my half sister died before contact 1904. Still struggle with the fact, that our mum, never told her new family about us. I find this so hard.......

Kind regards for all your help.

Margaret x

Lest there is any confusion the "Silk Stocking club" ( which may come over as a bit 'racey' to modern ears, is the Wharfe Street Social Club, Bingley – I assume that it was called that as a nod to one of the local occupations :-)

"Alfred Thomas Powell, 16 Midland Terrace, Bradford, said he was a member but was not a member of the Committee, though he was reported as being present at the meeting and being elected.
Cross-examined by Mr Demaine, he said he looked at the notice board occasionally, but did not know that that was the only method by which members elected to the Committee were informed ofthe fact.
J T Powell said he had never been asked to become a member of the Committee, and would not have stood."

The mentions of Alfred, and I assume his father, is only relevant in as much as it reflects that the club was not well organised ( as to keeping minutes of committee meetings).

Apologies Margaret- the only reason I mentioned the article was to show that in 1932 Alfred was still living with his parents. I also thought it might be of interest.

Information from newspapers can often give us an insight into the lives of our relatives that as children we wouldn't have known about.