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David

David Report 12 Sep 2018 00:15

Hello, this is my first post so I don't really know if I'm even in the right place but I'm looking for some help from a more experienced researcher.
I have traced a branch of my family back to a William Howey c1802, he lived in the Northumberland area. He married a Sarah Harper 25th April 1821 in All Saints Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. I know they had a Daughter Ann Howey c1831. Ann married Cuthbert Huntley b1828.
I have found a few William Howey's in that area and at that time but I have no idea how to be sure that I have the right person, I would like to find Williams siblings and especially his parents.
Is there any experienced researcher who could possibly help me to achieve this?
Thanks in advance. Regards Dave

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 00:28

Welcome to the boards David.

Most helpers look at all the boards so it doesn't really matter where you post, although this would probably be best on "Find Ancestors".

Having said that there is this parish baptism on Findmypast at around the date you give for William:-

First name(s) William
Last name Howey
Gender Male
Birth year 1802
Birth place -
Baptism year 1802
Baptism date 13 Feb 1802
Place Haltwhistle
County Northumberland
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thos.
Father's last name Howey
Mother's first name(s) Elizth.
Mother's last name Coulson
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 00:36

If the above birth happens to be the right one then this is likely to be his parent's marriage:-

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Howey
Name note -
Marriage year 1793
Marriage date 20 Nov 1793
Marriage place Haltwhistle
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Coulson
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 00:40

These all seem to be the baptisms of children of the above couple:-

Howey Ann 1812 — 1812 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England

Howey Thomas — — 1796 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England

Howey John — — 1794 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England

Howey John 1799 — 1799 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England

Howey Jane 1808 — 1808 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England

Howey Margaret 1806 — 1806 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England

Howey William 1802 — 1802 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 00:56

Could William ans Sarah have moved around the north east? There is this family on the 1841 census but without William:-

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Thames Street, Lower Philipp Yard, Jarrow, South Shields, Durham, England

Sarah Howey Female 40 1801 Durham, England
John Howey Male 15 1826 Durham, England
Elizabeth Howey Female 12 1829 Durham, England
Ann Howey Female 9 1832 Durham, England
Robert Howey Male 7 1834 Durham, England
Hannah Howey Female 4 1837 Durham, England

These baptisms seem to match the children above and the individual records show the father's name is William:-

Howey Ann — — 1831 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Whickham, Durham, England

Howey Eleanor 1824 — 1824 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Whickham, Durham, England

Howey Elizabeth 1828 — 1828 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Whickham, Durham, England

Howey John 1826 — 1826 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Whickham, Durham, England

Howey Robert Haugh — — 1834 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Whickham, Durham, England

This looks like it could be William's death:-

First name(s) William
Last name Howey
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1838
District South Shields
County Durham
Volume XXIV
Page 125

Kath. x

David

David Report 12 Sep 2018 11:11

Kath. Thank you for the reply's. I have a copy of the documents that you point to but, as C1802 for Williams birth year is only a guess I can not be sure that this is the same person. I have access to two members tree's that include the William from Hallwhistle, his Siblings and Parents. I would love it to be the same person but I'm lost on proving it?. The only definite info I have on my William is his marriage to Sarah Harper and their Daughter Ann. William is my great x3 Grandfather

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 12:24

On the parish baptisms on Findmypast these are the only baptisms for the name William Howey in 1802 +/- 10 years and the Haltwhistle baptism is the only one near to 1802:-

Howey William 1796 — 1796 Northumberland And Durham Baptisms Northumberland, England
View transcript.
Howey William 1796 — 1796 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Earsdon by North Shields, Northumberland, England
View transcript.
Howey William 1798 — 1798 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Putney, London, England
View transcript.
Howey William 1802 — 1802 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England
You previously viewed this record.
Howey William 1809 — 1809 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Wooler, Northumberland, England
View transcript.
Howey William 1810 — 1811 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 St Dunstan-In-The-West, London, England
View transcript.
Howey William — — 1793 Somerset Baptism Index Stogumber, Somerset, England
View transcript.
Howey William — — 1797 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Rothbury, Northumberland, England
View transcript.
Howey William — — 1809 England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Wooler, Northumberland, England

The death certificate of William from 1838 might give a clue if the informant is a family member or if it gives his occupation.

Personally I think this 1802 baptism is your most likely.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 12:30

You could contact the Northumberland County Record Office and see if they would check the actual image of the marriage (unless you have already done this) and see if the marriage record gives an age for William or if it just says "of full age" or "miror" which he would be if he married in 1821. Unless he lied about his age then he should really have needed his parent's permission to marry.

Kath. x

David

David Report 12 Sep 2018 13:04

Kath, Thanks again for taking the time to help. I know William was born in the Northumberland area so looking at the records you have just provided it can really only be one of two. 1802 Haltwhistle William or the 1796 Earsdon William. I have not contacted the County Records Office, I wouldn't know where to start. I will keep digging and try to find some contact info for them. I will be away from the PC now for the day as I have to leave for work. Thanks Kath x

safc

safc Report 12 Sep 2018 13:39

1861 Census
4 Records found


Piece: RG9/3820 Place: St Andrew -Northumberland Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: St Andrew Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 15 Page: 24 Schedule: 148
Address: 86 Percy Street

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HUNTLEY Cuthbert Head M M 33 Paviour Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
HUNTLEY Ann Wife M F 29 Co. Durham - Whickham
HUNTLEY Robert Son - M 4 Scholar Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
HUNTLEY William Son - M 2 Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 13:47

The only other marriage that I can see for either of these two Williams is this one:-

First name(s) William
Last name Howey
Name note -
Marriage year 1815
Marriage date 25 Nov 1815
Marriage place Haydon Bridge
Spouse's first name(s) Frances
Spouse's last name Robson
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

However I think this is too early for "your" William, so much more likely to be the William born 1796 and as you are certain that he married Sarah Harper, then I can't see it being any other William apart from the 1802 Haltwhistle birth.

These are the contact details for Northumberland County Records Office:-

Northumberland Archives
Woodhorn
QEII Country Park
Ashington
Northumberland
NE63 9YF

Telephone Number: 01670 624455

Fax: 01670 626121

E-Mail: collections@woodhorn.org.uk

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 14:11

This is the same Sarah Howey from the 1841 census that I posted in the 1851 census:-

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Cottages, Winlaton, Gateshead, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Sarah Howey Head Widow Female 51 1800 Parish Annuitant Gateshead, Durham, England
John Howey Son Unmarried Male 24 1827 Coke Burner Whickham, Durham, England
Ann Howey Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 At Home Service Whickham, Durham, England
Robert Howey Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Laby In A Brick Manufacty Heworth, Durham, England Transcription
Hannah Howey Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 Scholar Durham, England
Joseph Errington Lodger Unmarried Male 24 1827 Watterman Whickham, Durham, England

As Sarah is a widow and living off the parish, I would think that since she was living in South Shields in the 1841 census and the death I posted in 1838 was in South Shields, I'd be pretty sure that the 1838 death was her husband. They also have a daughter Ann born at the right time.

That death certificate should give William's age, so would be well worth ordering just to be sure one way or another.

Kath. x

safc

safc Report 12 Sep 2018 14:21



Burials South Shields 1838 William Howey abt 1796 Thames St
same address for 1841 census

from durham records on line

greyghost

greyghost Report 12 Sep 2018 14:33

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
HOWEY, WILLIAM 42 Order
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS UNION Volume 24 Page 125 Order

safc

safc Report 12 Sep 2018 14:46


Marriages Newcastle 1821 Sarah Harper this parish

Marriages Newcastle 1821 William Howey this parish

from durham records on line



KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 16:48

Looks like my hunch was wrong then :-(

Seems more likely to be the Earsdon William.

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 12 Sep 2018 16:49

This is his baptism giving parent's names:-

First name(s) William
Last name Howey
Gender Male
Birth year 1796
Birth place -
Baptism year 1796
Baptism date 04 Jun 1796
Place Earsdon by North Shields
County Northumberland
Country England
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Howey
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name Bewick
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms

and parent's marriage:-

First name(s) Robert
Last name Howey
Name note -
Marriage year 1795
Marriage date 29 Nov 1795
Marriage place Earsdon by North Shields
Spouse's first name(s) Catharine
Spouse's last name Bewick
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

Kath. x

safc

safc Report 12 Sep 2018 18:48

????


William Howie
England Births and Christenings
Name William Howie
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 May 1796
Christening Date (Original) 22 MAY 1796
Christening Place WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name John Howie
Mother's Name Ann

safc

safc Report 12 Sep 2018 18:56

if the wickham william is correct

George Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
18 May 1811
christening:
23 June 1811
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

John Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
19 July 1800
christening:
16 November 1800
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

Isabella Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
17 March 1805
christening:
30 June 1805
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

Ann Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
5 February 1808
christening:
17 April 1808
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

James Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
5 September 1814
christening:
17 February 1815
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

William Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
22 May 1796
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann

Elizabeth Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
21 October 1802
christening:
10 April 1803
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

Sarah Howie

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth:
17 December 1797
christening:
15 April 1798
WHICKHAM, DURHAM, ENGLAND
father:
John Howie
mother:
Ann Ferguson

David

David Report 12 Sep 2018 23:37

Wow, thank you all for your help.
I have just noticed on the Baptism records that Kath posted that there is also a William HOWEY Baptism 11 Jun 1797 Northumberland Rothbury : All Saints
I know that "my" William married Ann in "All Saints"(I assume All Saints is a church)
Has this William been mentioned?, he would be "of this Parish".
Apologies if I'm not up to speed with what's been concluded so far but as a complete amateur this is all a bit confusing for me.
Regards
Dave.