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Herbert and Henry Ferneyhough(twins), b. 16/3/1847, Stoke on Trent, BUT
christened 2/7/1854, Bucknall cum Bagnall, Stoke on Trent.
Suggestions as to why there is a 7 year gap, please.
Sandra

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Butt Fields, Caverswall, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Fernyhough Head Married Male 31 1820 Wheelwright & Farmer Of 20 Acres Employ 1 Man Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England
Rachel Fernyhough Wife Married Female 29 1822 - Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Fernyhough Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
John Fernyhough Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Herbert Fernyhough Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Henry Fernyhough Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Rachel Fernyhough Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Rachel Boulton Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 House Servant Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Barker Servant Not Known Male 53 1798 Wheelwright & Joiner Journeyman Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

Were the other children 'done" closer to their births
Sometimes life got busy and it was delayed
Other children born/died, baptisms were put aside
Were the other children not baptised
Perhaps not well and decided they'd better be baptised
Sometimes all saved up and done as a job lot so to speak

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
FERNYHOUGH, THOMAS HILL
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 17 Page 49

FERNEYHOUGH, HENRY HILL
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 190

FERNEYHOUGH, HERBERT HILL
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 190

FERNEYHOUGH, RACHEL HILL
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 17 Page 35

FERNEYHOUGH, EMILY HILL
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 06B Page 221

FERNEYHOUGH, ZILPHA HILL
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 06B Page 222

FERNEYHOUGH, WILLIAM HILL
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 06B Page 189

FERNEYHOUGH, HANNAH MARY HILL
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 06B Page 269

FERNEYHOUGH, ALBERT JOHN HILL
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 06B Page 276

Herbert Fernyhough
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Herbert Fernyhough
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: 1848
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Fernyhough
Mother's name: Rachel Fernyhough
Gender: Male
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Consall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
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Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Ipstones
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 1951
Folio: 35
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Fernyhough 42
Rachel Fernyhough 39
John Fernyhough 16
Herbert Fernyhough 13
Henry Fernyhough 13
Zilpah Fernyhough 8
Emmeler Fernyhough 8
Hannah Fernyhough 10/12

No sign of son William 1854 in 1861 - did he die? Maybe the 1854 baptism was because of that?

Emily and Zilpah also twins - poor Rachel!

Zilpah Ferniough
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Zilpah Ferniough
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 9 May 1852
Christening Place: Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
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Father: John Ferniough
Mother: Rachel Ferniough


Emily Ferniough
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Emily Ferniough
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 9 May 1852
Christening Place: Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
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Father: John Ferniough
Mother: Rachel Ferniough


And Hannah:

Mary Hannah Furney
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Mary Hannah Furney
Gender: Female
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 29 May 1860
Birth Place: Bucknall Cum Bagnall, England
Christening Date: 19 Aug 1860
Christening Place: Bucknall, Staffordshire, England
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Father: John Furney
Mother: Rachel Furney

Name
Zilpah Ferniough and also Emily b 1852, baptised 1852
Gender Female
Christening Date 09 May 1852
Christening Date (Original) 09 MAY 1852
Christening Place Caverswall, Stafford, England
Father's Name John Ferniough
Mother's Name Rachel

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Mary Hannah Furney
England Births and Christenings
Name Mary Hannah Furney
Gender Female
Christening Date 19 Aug 1860
Christening Date (Original) 19 AUG 1860
Christening Place Bagnall, Stafford, England
Birthplace Bucknall Cum Bagnall, Staffs Eng
Birth Date 29 May 1860
Father's Name John Furney
Mother's Name Rachel

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Albert John Ferneyhough
England, Staffordshire, Church Records
Name Albert John Ferneyhough
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 27 Aug 1865
Event Place Caverswall, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Parish St Peter
Father's Name John Ferneyhough
Mother's Name Rachel Ferneyhough
Affiliate Image Identifier D3585/1/1

William:

William Fernyhough
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Fernyhough
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 Dec 1854
Baptism Place: Caverswall, Stafford, England
Father: John Fernyhough
Mother: Rachel
FHL Film Number: 1278996

Well, he didn't die - he's with the family in 1871:

William Fernyhough
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Fernyhough
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Fernyhough
Mother's name: Rachel Fernyhough
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Cheddleton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Ipstones
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 2887
Folio: 59
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
John Fernyhough 52
Rachel Fernyhough 49
Thomas Fernyhough 29
Herbert Fernyhough 23
Rachel Fernyhough 21
Emley Fernyhough 19
Zilpher Fernyhough 18
William Fernyhough 16
Mary Fernyhough 10
Albert Fernyhough 5
Aurthur Clowes 13

William Fernyhough
England, Staffordshire, Church Records
Name William Fernyhough
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 03 Dec 1854
Event Place Caverswall, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Parish St Peter
Father's Name John Fernyhough
Mother's Name Rachel Fernyhough
Affiliate Image Identifier D968/4

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Moss Lee, Cheddleton and Rownall, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Ferneyhough Head Married Male 62 1819 Farmer Of 200 Acres Emp 3 Sons 3 Ser And 1 Daur Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England
Rachel Ferneyhough Wife Married Female 59 1822 - Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Ferneyhough Son Single Male 38 1843 Farmer Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England
William Ferneyhough Son Single Male 26 1855 Farmer Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Hannah Ferneyhough Daughter Single Female 20 1861 - Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Albert Ferneyhough Son Single Male 15 1866 Farmers Son Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Charles Stubbs Servant Single Male 17 1864 Domestic Ser (Ag) Ipstones, Staffordshire, England
Mary Johnson Servant Single Female 16 1865 Domestic Ser Ipstones, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Harrison Servant Single Male 14 1867 Domestic Ser (Ag) Crewe, Cheshire, England
Harry Ferneyhough Grand Son Single Male 6 1875 - Ipstones, Staffordshire, England
Thomas Ferneyhough Grand Son Single Male 5 1876 - Ipstones, Staffordshire, England

Here's William in 1861, with older siblings, apparently::


William Fernyhough
in the 1861 England Census
Name: William Fernyhough
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Caverswall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Butt Fields
Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Dilhorne
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 1952
Folio: 92
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fernyhough 18 - head
Rachel Fernyhough 11 - sister
William Fernyhough 6 - brother



(His christening in my previous post)

Rachel Fernihough
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Rachel Fernihough
Gender: Female
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 27 Dec 1849
Birth Place: Bucknall Cum Bagnall, England
Christening Date: 20 Jan 1850
Christening Place: Bucknall, Staffordshire, England
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Father: John Fernihough
Mother: Rachel Fernihough

FMP has the 1861 for Thomas, Rachel and William mistranscribed - using the name of the family before them. Will report

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Butt Fields, Leek Road, Caverswall, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Berrisford Head Unmarried Male 18 1843 Farmers Son Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
Rachael Berrisford ... - Female 11 1850 Scholar Caverswall, Staffordshire, England
William Berrisford ... - Male 6 1855 Scholar Caverswall, Staffordshire, England

So there doesn't seem to be any obvious reason why Herbert & Henry's baptism was delayed.

Maybe Rachel wasn't well when expecting William -
or any of the reasons suggested by Greyghost.

Have you found a marriage for John and Rachel - although the children are all registered with mmn as Hill, perhaps if they didn't marry they were initially reluctant to baptise the children - Not found Thomas and John's baptisms - the first born.

Outside chance that Rachel had been previously married and so marriage name not Hill, or that Rachel was a preferred name.

A tree on Ancestry has a document certifying that John son of Thomas and Dinah was born in Hanley in the parish of Stoke on Trent, 28 august 1818. It's signed by William ____? the Protestant Dissenting Minister at the Wesleyan Chapel in Hanley. Perhaps the older children were also baptised non conformist?

that tree and others say John and Rachel were married 1843 Leek RD

I have one of mine - the only sibling of 10 that was baptised twice (that I've found). He was done in the Wesleyan Chapel a couple of months after his birth but then CofE 4 years later. Rest all CofE near to births

Rachael Hill
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Rachael Hill
Registration Year: 1842
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 17
Page: 157
Records on Page:
Name
John Ferryhough
Rachael Hill

John in 1841 - and there's a Hill in the household - don't know if related:

John Fernyhough
in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Fernyhough
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Dilhorne
Hundred: North Totmonslow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Dilhorne
Neighbors:
Piece: 1004
Book: 1
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fernyhough 75
Hannah Fernyhough 55
John Fernyhough 20
Richard Hurst 10
George Bowers 35
Mary Bowers 25
William Bowers 6
Thomas Bowers 5
Ann Bowers 2
George Bowers 8 Mo
Joseph Hill 9

Thomas Fernyhough
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Thomas Fernyhough
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Jan 1843
Christening Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England
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Father: John Fernyhough
Mother: Rachel Fernyhough

Rachael Hill
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Rachael Hill
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Leek
Hundred: North Totmonslow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Endon and Norton
Neighbors:
Piece: 1005
Book: 10
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hill 30
Rachael Hill 20
Hannah Hill 2
Ann Hill 1
Joseph Hall 10

Blow - that marriage staring me in the face, but could I find it whichever way I looked !! Yet another senior moment..........

Still no baptism for John junior, though.

i wonder if the christning of herbert and henry was because at 7yrs they were to make their first holy communion