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I think you could run across some odd situations, and it might help to see similar examples.


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Boarders on census

1871 Census
Piece: SCT1871/168 Place: Aberdeen -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 20
Civil Parish: St Nicholas Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: West
Folio: 0 Page: 10 Schedule: 52
Address: 21 Berry Lane
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SUTHERLAND Andrew Head M M 48 Scavenger Aberdeenshire - King Edward 2 rooms
SUTHERLAND Elizebeth Wife M F 51 Aberdeenshire - New Aberdour
ROBERTSON Wm Boardr M M 32 Railway Labourer Aberdeenshire - New Deer
SHAND Alexr Boardr U M 19 Railway Labourer Aberdeenshire - New Pitsligo

The boarder Wm is actually Andrew's step-son.
The boarder Alexr is actually Andrew's son.

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ensuses
Some people do get double-counted, e.g., my grandad's Aunt Christie:


1851 Census
Piece: SCT1851/218 Place: Longside -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Longside Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 176 Page: 10 Schedule: 52
Address: South Street, Mintlaw
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GREIG John Head M M 32 Farm Servant Aberdeenshire - Fraserburgh
GREIG Margaret Wife M F 23 Aberdeenshire - Longside
GREIG Christian Dau - F 2 Aberdeenshire - Longside
GREIG William Son - M 6m Aberdeenshire - Longside


1851 Census
Piece: SCT1851/218 Place: Longside -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Longside Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 176 Page: 21 Schedule: 100
Address: Hill Of Mintlaw
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SLESSOR William Head M M 66 Farmer Of 15 Acres & Carrier Aberdeenshire - Longside
SLESSOR Christian Wife M F 52 Aberdeenshire - Old Deer
SLESSOR Mary Dau U F 26 Aberdeenshire - Longside
Page: 176/22 SLESSOR John D Son U M 17 Farmer & Carrier's Son Aberdeenshire - Longside
GREIG Christian Grndau - F 2 Aberdeenshire - Longside


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Eliz Anderson maiden surname Scott died 31/7/1875
Her death was rego'ed by her son with the wrong forename.
Maybe rego'ing her death brought on a brain-freeze.
However, this was corrected on the gravestone MI
As an aside, women, at least at that time and place (the Buchan area in N Aberdeenshire). were buried under their maiden surnames.
I didn't know abt Alex - he was 16 in 1841, but isn't with the family on the Rathen census.
I later found a "15" y.o. Alex with, probably, his 14 y.o. bro working as Ag Labs on a Crimond farm 5km away.

Rathen OPR Dec 25th 1794
William Scott in Spillarsford ha a daur by his wife Elis'th Rainie bapt named Elisa'th.

Lonmay OPR 1823
April 13th William Anderson and Elizabeth Scott both
in this parish declared their purpose of marriage and
were married.

1875 Deaths in the Parish of Turriff in the County of Aberdeen Page 12 Entry 35
Christina Anderson Crofter Widow of William Anderson Agr Labourer
1875 July Thirty first 1h m0, PM Hill of Ardmiddle Parish of Turriff
F 80 years
William Scott Farmer (deceased) ---- Scott M.S. Rannie (deceased)
Old Age & Debility Not certified
Alex'r Anderson Present
1875 August 2d At Turriff William Ingram Registrar

MI Parish of Turriff in the County of Aberdeen
1876
Erected by Alexander Anderson,
Hill of Ardmiddle, in memory
of his son Alexander
who died 20th Octr 1874
aged 21 years.
also his mother
Elizabeth Scott, who died
31st July. 1876, aged 80 years,
also his wife
Margaret Watson who died
22nd Novr 1890 aged 71 years
The above Alexander Anderson
died 19th June 1908 aged 83 years.

1908 Deaths in the Parish of Turriff in the County of Aberdeen Page 12 Entry 35
Alexander Anderson Crofter Widower of Margaret Watson
1908 June Nineteenth 4h 0m, PM Knowehead Muiresk Turriff
M 83 years
William Anderson Farm Servant (deceased) Elizabeth Anderson M.S. Scott (deceased)
Senile Decay as certified by G P. Grerar M B CM.
Margaret Henry Granddaughter (present) 45 Ballinellie Street Turriff
1908 June 19th At Turriff J Thomson Registrar


Six of Eliz's descendents had been searching for her d.cert for quite a while.
None of us guessed she'ld be rego'ed under the wrong name.
AFHS used to have an on-line data base that was sort of like an index to theit MI booklets, with names grouped by gravestone.
I stumbled across Anderson & Scott on the same Turriff MI, so I asked the others if they had the Turriff MI booklet.
One of the others got Eliz & Alex Smr's d.cert, and took a pic of the gravestone, which I've transcribed above.

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The situation you might come across is with age at death.


Burial: 6 Mar 1874 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancs.
Margaret Lee -
Age: 77 years
Abode: Tarleton
Buried by: Robert C. Fletcher Curate
Register: Burials 1813 - 1883, Page 161, Entry 1287
Source: LDS Film 1278941

LEE, MARGARET 81
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 522

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
LEE Margaret 81 Tarleton Preston TAR/5/59

Burial: 6 Mar 1874 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancs.
Margaret Lee -
Age: 77 years
Abode: Tarleton
Buried by: Robert C. Fletcher Curate
Register: Burials 1813 - 1883, Page 161, Entry 1287
Source: LDS Film 1278941

Marriage: 2 Jul 1823 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lee - (X), of Tarleton
Margaret Taylor - (X), of Tarleton
Witness: John Miller; Edwd. Fell, (X)
Married by Banns by: Richd.Walker Curate
Register: Marriages 1822 - 1837, Page 2, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 1278941

Baptism: 15 Apr 1798 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Taylor - Daughter of Thomas Taylor & Betty, his Wife
Source: LDS Film 1278941


The above marr is the 4th in that register.
The previous marr rego covered 60+ years, and seems lost, as do the matching BTs (Bishops Transcripts).
I don't see eother on LDS films, nor at the Lancs Record Office.

Anne Hamilton is listed as Mary Hamilton's daughter on the 1851 census. On the 1871 census daughter Anne is not listed but Ann aged 5 is listed as granddaughter.
When John William is on the 1881 census he is just listed as 'Boarder' and not Grandson. The address on the 1881 census is the same address as is shown on John William's marriage certificate, so he lived with them for a while. He was married in 1889.

Thanks for clarifying that, Kathryn

His (half?) sister's baptism doesn't give any paternal info.....................

ErikaH

I researched his name and found out he was a farmer's son. There was a male and female witness who eventually married each other.

I will check and see if I can find a baptism record.

Thanks

Baptism: 29 Oct 1865 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Ann Hamilton - [Child] of Ann Hamilton, Single Woman
Abode: Tarleton
Baptised by: M. Fletcher Rector
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1888, Page 180, Entry 1437
Source: LDS Film 1278941

You say that the witness to the 1889 marriage was a farmer's son. I have never known the occupation of the witnesses to be recorded on a marriage cert

You are unlikely ever to know who his father was. The only hope would be if he was named on the baptism record, if there is one

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Smith Lane, Tarleton, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Hamilton Head Married Male 71 1780 Ag Lab Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Anne Hamilton Wife Married Female 67 1784 - Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Hamilton Daughter Unmarried Female 39 1812 - Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Betty Caunce Daughter Married Female 29 1822 Ag Labourer's Wife Tarleton, Lancashire, England
William Caunce Son In Law Married Male 31 1820 Ag Lab Rufford, Lancashire, England
James Caunce Grand Son - Male 5 1846 - Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Mary Caunce Grand Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Tarleton, Lancashire, England

Thank you all. This information is making me think that maybe one of Mary's brothers was John William's father. John married Sarah Alice Dixon and on their marriage certificate there is a father named as Thomas Hamilton who was a farm labourer. The male witness on the certificate was a farmers son. So maybe John's father worked at their farm? I have lots of research to do.

Thanks Again

? other children of William and Ann

Baptism: 8 May 1814 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
James Hamilton - [Child] of William Hamilton & Ann
Abode: Tarlton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: J. M. Hodgson
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1838, Page 10, Entry 73
Source: LDS Film 1278941

Baptism: 5 May 1816 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Hamilton - [Child] of William Hamilton & Ann
Abode: Holmes
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: J. M. Hodgson Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1838, Page 26, Entry 203
Source: LDS Film 1278941

and
Baptism: 25 Feb 1821 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Hamilton - Daughter of William Hamilton & Anne
Born: 30 Jan 1821
Abode: Tarleton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Edwd. Master Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1838, Page 64, Entry 512
Source: LDS Film 1278941

This latter shows on Family Search as Hambleton which takes you almost back to John William's birth cert. where John William shown as Ambleton

Possibly Peter 1851 and brother William

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Smith Lane, Tarleton, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Wignall Head Married Male 38 1813 Farmer Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Alice Wignall Wife Married Female 40 1811 Farmer's Wife Lancashire, England
Alice Wignall Niece - Female 5 1846 Scholar Leyland, Lancashire, England
Sarah Gaskell Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 House Servant Lancashire, England
Hugh Miller Servant Unmarried Male 20 1831 Farm Lab Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Peter Hamilton Servant Unmarried Male 23 1828 Farm Lab Tarleton, Lancashire, England
William Hamilton Servant Unmarried Male 17 1834 Farm Lab Tarleton, Lancashire, England

Carleton and Sollom / Croston (1841 census) a couple of miles apart

Margaret's baptism would also indicate she was not previously married.

Baptism: 1 Aug 1852 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Hamilton - [Child] of Mary Hamilton, Spinster
Abode: Tarleton
Baptised by: H. Inman Offg. Minis.
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1888, Page 90, Entry 717
Source: LDS Film 1278941

??? Peter the witness with possibe parents - William and Ann (Mary's Father named as William on marriage record posted.) There are brothers William and John.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Sollom, Croston, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Hamilton Male 60 1781 Lancashire, England Labourer
Ann Hamilton Female 55 1786 Lancashire, England
Margaret Hamilton Female 25 1816 Lancashire, England
Peter Hamilton Male 12 1829 Lancashire, England
William Hamilton Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England
John Hamilton Male 2 1839 Lancashire, England
Betty Ascroft Female 2 1839 Lancashire, England

William and Ann show bottom of one page and rest overleaf and top of page.

Other Hamilton and Ashcroft families in close proximity

Thanks Erika H. Thanks for that information. So Mary wasn't married previously and Hamilton was her maiden name. Maybe Peter was her brother?
I can pick up lots of research from this information. Thank you so much. I presume the 'X' mean they could not write. On John Ambleton/Hamiltons birth certificate his mother Ann's name is represented by an X. I presume this was commonplace at the time.

Marriage: 28 Sep 1853 St Mary, Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lee - (X), 23, Labourer, Bachelor, Tarleton
Mary Hamilton - (X), 39, Spinster, Tarleton*****************************************
Groom's Father: Thomas Lee, Labourer
Bride's Father: William Hamilton, Labourer
Witness: Peter Hamilton, (X); Margaret Lee, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Nicklin Offs. Minister
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1881, Page 95, Entry 189
Source: LDS Film 1278941

On 1851 Census Mary and her daughter listed as living in Blackgate Lane,Ormskirk and May age 39 is listed as a widow. On 1871 census Thomas Mary and their Daughter Margaret (b 1852?) are listed as living in Barrow. Mary and Thomas were married in Ormskirk in 1853.

??Is this Mary - shown as a widow here, possibly again for respectability, (with a daughter Ann old enough to be John William's Mother)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Blackgate Lane, Tarleton, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Hamilton Head Widow Female 39 1812 Char Woman Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Anne Hamilton Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Tarleton, Lancashire, England

? Daughter Margaret born pre marriage of Mary to Thomas - no mmn showing.

So was Mary actually a widow when she married Thomas or was that for respectability? Or Thomas possibly the Father but not named at the time.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HAMILTON, MARGARET -
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 481

Thanks everyone. I did think that Ann Hamilton (Grandaughter) on 1871 census is John William's sister was a possibility which is why I think that Mary Lee (Hamilton) is the key. I don't know what her maiden name was and who she was married to before Thomas or if she stayed in Tarleton/Ormskirk from birth to marrying Thomas.

Thanks I will check out the birth information given.

Mary also had a daughter called Ann who was born in 1839/1842, who could possibly be John William's mother, but I cannot find a record of her being in Barrow in Furness where John William was born.

You are correct regarding Thomas' age. He was around 20 years younger than Mary.

Just whilst hunting around

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gorse Lane, Tarleton, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Lee Head Married Male 50 1811 Agricultural Labourer Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Mary Lee Wife Married Female 49 1812 - Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Lee Daughter - Female 8 1853 - Tarleton, Lancashire, England

Pretty sure Thomas' age on original shows as 30

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1853 (>99%)

HAMILTON Mary Ormskirk 8b 885
LEE Thomas Ormskirk 8b 885

Ann is born Tarleton on census, which is Ormskirk

maybe?

HAMILTON, ANNE -
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 677