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But details from Both Marriages (taken from Parish Registers FMP, where you see images) are on your other 'Thread'...(link posted).

I thought you had seen them, added by alviegal.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380295

Chris :)

Edits (Rambling has also posted links for both)

Thanks for all the replies, regarding Kay's message, totally agree Benjamin & Elizabeth have the same ref. Nos 27&29, but they also have different line numbers ie 27 & 2 which has led to my confusion, Jane & Benjamin actually had 3 boys Joshua 1856, David 1853 & John 1852 . As already confirmed by Kathlene, Joshua's birth certificate shows Jane Evans as the mother and I have birth records for the other 2 which also tie up.
My best option, as I expected, will be to obtain a marriage certificate for the second marriage and also the first providing both Benjamins are the same.

Kay's post is quite misleading.

The GRO m.certs are mostly not arranged like Kay suggests.
What the GRO has is a copy of that quarter's marrs from each rego book keeper. They are put together and bound in a standard order.

Most rego keeoers are vicars in an established church, i.e., C of E or C pf W, so their pages will all be from their parish church, so to take a concrete example, I'll look at Leigh in 1837 - this date is a bit special, - all the parishes in Leigh RD were created out of chapelries promoted to parishes or parishes created out of the 2 ancient parishes in the area - Leigh and Winwick - the latter is mostly in Warrington RD, but this mostly didn;t happen until the 1840s/

Sept 1837
GRO p237 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 1-4
GRO p238 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 5-8

GRO p239 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 9-12
GRO p240 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 13-16

GRO p241 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 17-19
GRO p242 Blank

GRO p243 St George, Tyldesley Entries 1-2
GRO p245 Blank


Dect 1837
GRO p281 Parish Church, Newchurch in Culcheth Entries 1-2
GRO p282 Blank

GRO p283 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 20-23
GRO p284 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 24-27

GRO p285 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 28-31
GRO p286 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 32-35

GRO p287 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 36-39
GRO p288 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh Entries 40-42

GRO p289 St George, Tyldesley Entries 3-6
GRO p290 Blank

GRO p291 Leigh Register Entries 1
GRO p292 Blank


Until 1898, only the established church, jews, quakers and the registrars were authorized to keep official marr rego's, so a registrar would have to bring his official rego to a non-conformist ceremony for the couple to sign to complete the ceremony,.Often, these rego's were just used for non0conformist marrs, and not used for rego office marrs.. After 1898, non-conformist could apply to become persons authorized to keep official marr rego's. Usually thry were pasters, etc., in charge of a church, but the could be recorders for a circuit.

Only with circuit recorders and registrars attending non-conformist marrs are we likely to see marrs scattered about the district.

JUNE


Always, always use the GRO Index for births of children between July 1837 and ca 1919.

The birth registrations shown on that site also show the mother's maiden name (unless the child is illegitimate OR mother and father happened to have the same surname). That solves the problem neatly.

Then you can use Freebmd to find the marriage.

The site is free, but you have to register

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/


That is what we all do, and you can do it very easily yourself.



But also, do please try not to post more than 1 thread per family, just add to your previous thread(s) if you need more information.

That saves the helpers from repeating searches already.

The other thread, to which I made reference

Couldn't C&P before..................

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380265

1850, father shoemaker as previously Benjamin's signature looks to be the same (slanted)

Benjamin
Last name Davies
Age Full
Birth year -
Event year 1850
Banns year -
Marriage year 1850
Marriage date 12 Sep 1850
Marriage place Llandygwydd
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Davies
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Thomas
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's father's last name Evans
Spouse's father's first name(s) David
County Cardiganshire
Country Wales
Event Marriage
Page 43



https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS/M/876013070/1

I notice that the marriage image below it is for one Owen Jones, ( father or brother of Elizabeth) who is a witness on the second marriage for Benjamin.

For ref those helping the image for 1858 marriage is on FMP as mentioned on other thread

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS/M/876010165/1

Marriages Sep 1850

This is how it is written in the GRO original indexes ,then it Roman numerals was used,

Davies
Benjamin
Cardigan
XXVII
49.

Davies
Benjamin
Cardigan
XXVII
49

(yes, Father was John Davies, Shoemaker. Both Marriage details posted on other 'Thread' link above)

Chris :)

The son Joshua who is aged 5 in the 1861 census seems to have the mother's maiden name Evans, so the above marriage mentioned by Kay would seem to fit.

On the marriage to Elizabeth Jones in 1858, does Benjamin name his father? If so you could ring the GRO and say that you would like the marriage certificate to Jane Thomas but only if the father's name is correct.

Kath. x

Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)

Davies
Benjamin

Cardigan
27
49

THOMAS
Jane

Cardigan
27
49

They both seem to carry the same index as per----freebdm.

There is another thread about this family in addition to the one highlighted by Chris

Below looks to relate here...

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380295

Chris :)

And ?

David Davies
Registration Year: 1853
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Cardigan
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cardiganshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 2

DAVIES, DAVID DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in CARDIGAN Volume 11B Page 15

This seems to be the baptism of one of the children

John Davies
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1852
Baptism Place: Llangorwen,Cardigan,Wales
Father: John Davies
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 105173


Maybe it’s a different family

Have you tried looking on the gro site for births of the children. This would give mmn

Forgot to mention most revolve around Cardiganshire Wales. Mainly Cardigan &,Llandygwydd.

Thanks for all the inputs.
This is my problem, I have the marriage certificate of Benjamin Davies & Elizabeth
Jones dated 23/12/1858 Ref Cardigan11b 13 and they are on the 1871 census with their children Mary 9, Ester 8 & Owen 6 and I know these are my relatives. However Benjamin was a widower and I am trying to find info on his 1st Marriage.

On the previous 1861 census I again have Benjamin Davies & Elizabeth Jones with 3 children John 9, David 8 & Joshua 5. These are all older than their marriage so assume they came from Benjamin's previous marriage.

Now this is where the problem is, I have a marriage record of a Benjamin Davies getting married to Jane Thomas nee Evans 12/9/1850 and she was a widower and also have their individual records but they do not match. Benjamin's ref. is 27 49 17 whilst Jane is 27 49 2 . She also had at least one son called Joshua which ties up with one of the above children Slight deviation Benjamin had changed from a coal miner to a labourer. So this is where I am presently stuck.

In fact it is often best to use only one of the names when ordering ............

and do remember that the names and all other information has to be EXACTLY the same as GRO has in their Register.

If you cite both names and one is spelled incorrectly even though it is the correct certificate, GRO will not send it.

You can order a marriage certificate just giving one name and the reference numbers for that person if you are not sure of who they married.

Kath. x