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Hi - how on here can you work out which kids belong to which parents when a pair of brothers marry a pair of sisters?

Many thanks. (edited :-)

When a pair of brothers marry a pair of sisters, you'll just have to buy the birth certs of the children, unless you can figure it out from which children are with which parents in later censuses.

If a pair of brothers marry a pair of brothers (per your post) - that's another matter altogether!

Depends when the births of the CHILDREN occurred.

If it was pre-1911, you can look on censuses.

Or look for baptisms..............

I doubt you can work any of it out on GR. You'll need one of the better sites...............

If it's not too recent, do you want to put some names, dates, areas on here and helpers will have a look to see if it can be worked out.

I have my great grandfather’s sisters called Broughton who married a pair of brothers called Redford in 1910 and 1912. I’ve searched for children called Redford with Broughton in the keyword and get half a dozen hits within a decent time frame and location but can’t link them to one or other married couple.

Any help would be gratefully received

The marriages for our info

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Broughton Phoebe M Kensington 1a 291
Redford Alfred G Kensington 1a 291

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
Broughton Rose S Redford Kensington 1a 345
Redford Sidney R Broughton Kensington 1a 345

Use freebmd, designed for the purpose of BMD research

Input surname Redford and MMN Broughton

GR isn’t a good place for research. Its value lies entirely with the members who offer help.

Both men may have served in ww1 and if their service records have survived they may name children for each couple

1911 Census For England & Wales

2 School Cott Church Path Ash Vale Surrey, Ash and Normandy, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alfred Redford Head Married Male 27 1884 Baker 2Nd Corpl Army Service Conf Brighton Sussex
Phoebe Redford Wife Married Female 24 1887 - Fulham London
Grace Hayes Cousin - Female 5 1906 School Paddington London

No children at this point.

No children by 1911 but they have a niece living with them

Alfred Redford
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Ash and Normandy
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County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 2 School Cottage, Church Path Ash Vale, Surrey
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Occupation: Baker 2Nd Corp Army Service Comp
Registration district: Farnham
Registration District Number: 34
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 3100
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Redford 27
Phoebe Redford 24
Grace Hayes 5

The birth in early 1912 in Farnham district will be to Alfred and Phoebe

Well at least one daughter born in Farnham reg district

Births Mar 1912
Redford Phyllis M Broughton Farnham 2a 232

Births Sep 1913
Redford Stanley R Broughton Wandsworth 1d 1441

Births Mar 1918
Redford Sybil M E Broughton Kingston 2a 567

Births Jun 1921
Redford Marjorie R Broughton Woolwich 1d 2261

Births Mar 1923
Redford Victor J Broughton Kingston 2a 692

Births Mar 1925
Redford Irene J Broughton Kensington 1a 161


The woolwich one is also a possibility as there are army barracks at woolwich too

Victor J and Stanley R were Sidney and Rose’s children, as per 1939, which I can’t C&P on iPad

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Deaths Jun 1971 (>99%)
REDFORD Phoebe Matilda 6Jy1886 Brent 5a 516

No probate showing for either 1971-1975. A will may have given details of children

Deaths Jun 1971 (>99%)
REDFORD Alfred George 15Au1883 Wandsworth 5e 1210

Shows some children still with them

View 1939 England and Wales Register
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Name: Rose Redford
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1888
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 55
Residence Place: Margate, Kent, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 137
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DIDS
Registration district: 63-2
Inferred Spouse: Sidney Redford
Inferred Children: Stanley R Redford
Victor J Redford
Household Members:
Name
Sidney Redford
Rose Redford
Stanley R Redford25.7.1913
Victor J Redford born 7 .12 .1922

1939 Register for Rose and Sidney

Rose Redford's life in 1939
55 Westbrook Avenue, Margate M.B., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Sidney Redford 12 Feb 1887 Male Boot Repairer Married 137 1
Rose Redford 25 Feb 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 137 2
Stanley R Redford 25 Jul 1913 Male Photography (D & P) Single 137 3
Victor J Redford 07 Dec 1922 Male Solicitors Clerk Single 137 4
Ref: RG101/1753C/010/8 Letter Code: DIDS

View London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
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Name: Alfred George Redford
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1883
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1910
Marriage Place: St Matthias, Earls Court, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Arthur Redford
Spouse: Phoebe Matilda Broughton
Register Type: Parish Register
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Alfred was based at Aldershot when they married

Name: Sidney Robert Redford
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1887
Marriage Date: 12 Sep 1912
Marriage Place: St Matthias, Earls Court, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Arthur Redford
Spouse: Rose Sarah Broughton
Register Type: Parish Register
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Sidney was a Conductor

Do you have this - was hoping to find a Passenger list with children on too.

Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

First name(s) S R
Last name Redford
Title MR
Gender Male
Birth year 1887
Birth day 20
Birth month 2
Marital status M
Occupation RETIRED
Departure year 1957
Departure day 23
Departure month 10
Departure port London
Destination port Cape
Destination CAPE
Country South Africa
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Durban Castle
Ship master's first name ?
Ship master's last name DYLES
Ship destination port EAST AFRICA
Ship destination country AFRICA
Number of passengers 0
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

With Rose S

Sidney R b 20.2.1887 and Rose S b 26.2.1888
UK address 26 St James Park Road, Margate
Travelling to Rhodesia where they were Resident

So Victor and Stanley both definitely belong to Rose and Sidney! And it looks like only Victor and Stanley - so do all or any of the others belong to Phoebe?